Aftermarket 944 Control arms. Retail pricing seems a bit off...
12-01-2008, 03:11 PM
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here is proof of what I am saying.One of our budies that owns AG Sandcars built this truck with the same heims
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6I366X4jyE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6I366X4jyE
12-01-2008, 03:20 PM
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here is proof of what I am saying.One of our budies that owns AG Sandcars built this truck with the same heims
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6I366X4jyE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6I366X4jyE
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12-01-2008, 03:31 PM
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Tim's got a good point....looks like quality stuff. IMO, everyone would like SFR quality with Walmart pricing....we 944 owners are notoriously thrifty.
Anyone else running SFR's street mild steel setups out there care to comment?
Does the SFR arms work with the 968 castor blocks then?
Anyone else running SFR's street mild steel setups out there care to comment?
Does the SFR arms work with the 968 castor blocks then?
12-01-2008, 03:33 PM
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12-01-2008, 03:38 PM
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Tim,
SFR has a great reputation on here from what I've seen and heard. If your product really is superior, then it should command the price you are charging.
SFR has a great reputation on here from what I've seen and heard. If your product really is superior, then it should command the price you are charging.
12-01-2008, 04:02 PM
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12-01-2008, 04:07 PM
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We want to sell a qaulity product at a reasonable price.It doenst take a whole lot tomake the arms especially if we do a production run.We like people input too.I have gotten a few pms about the heims and using tha regular style ball jpoint with a cup and we can do it that way but it eliminates the camber adjustment.If people want them that way,then we could do it and probably shave a little off the price in the process.We need input.
12-01-2008, 05:44 PM
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12-01-2008, 06:14 PM
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I agree 100% with Rich. Tim knows what he's doing. He's already done the R&D and has real world time on his products. Can't beat that. If you make one set and it fails, you're already over the price of his and out your time.
12-01-2008, 06:44 PM
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$900 for a set sounds fair to me. $75 for powder coating? Not so much.
12-01-2008, 06:54 PM
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I'm not trying to critique your process or anything, they look like good parts, but are you really paying $75 for powder coating? That seems very high cost. The cost of the powder would be around $5 and it only takes a couple of minutes to spray em, and curing doesn't take long either.
$900 for a set sounds fair to me. $75 for powder coating? Not so much.
$900 for a set sounds fair to me. $75 for powder coating? Not so much.
Yes we are paying roughly $75 to have the arms coated.It might be a little less.That was just off the top of my head.Sure powder costs $5 but that doesnt count the baking in the oven,electricity,overhead of the powdercoating shop,etc.........
This is why so many companies these days are going out of business or trying to get the government to bail them out. They are not getting paid for the "real" costs involved in running a legitimate operation.To bad for them.We will not make that mistake.I want to give people fair prices but I am not going to run myself out of business doing it and I dont expect the shops we work with to do that either.
12-01-2008, 07:49 PM
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If I had the tools and facilities I would have finally gotten to work on the list of parts I want to make. Some of which I have preliminary designs. On the list is control arms.
There are several questions I've got for those that do currently make them and maybe SFR is capable of answering.
- Why rod ends at the upright? Why not use sphericals? Easy to replace and more reliable (higher loading capability)
-Why use pins? Wouldn't it be as easy to thread the upright and use a 19mm bolt. Makes removable much easier
There are several questions I've got for those that do currently make them and maybe SFR is capable of answering.
- Why rod ends at the upright? Why not use sphericals? Easy to replace and more reliable (higher loading capability)
-Why use pins? Wouldn't it be as easy to thread the upright and use a 19mm bolt. Makes removable much easier
Threads in bending is poor design practice. Threads carry with them a stress concentration factor of over 3 ... a straight pin has a stress concentration factor of 1.
Tim has certainly stepped up to the plate here and it would be silly to not buy his if in the market for an affordable a-arm.
What is easier to replace than a threaded rod end? I don't get it. If it works, why would you want to deal with pressing in/out a spherical bearing? You can loosen a jam nut and replace the rod end (or heim joint, whatever you want to call it) in 5 minutes with it still installed on the car. Count your threads and you should have minimal alignment changes needed.
12-01-2008, 09:05 PM
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But we can do these arms with a conventional spherical bearing if people really want arms like this.We dont care,honestly.We just want to make money and have a good product. If there were enough people interested, I would build a new prototype set for you guys to check out.We did the arms with the heims to allow people maximum adjustablitiy of their suspension set-up.
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