914 or 928
10-04-2005, 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by bloodraven
Just got off the phone with the owner again, the engine is a 2.0 euro spec. The entire car (including engine) has been restored 20k miles ago. A/C has been installed, and has been running fine. Again, not one spot of rust and a perfect PPI. The 928 is over twice as much, but I like it as well. Just as much in fact.
And please, I wasn't asking if I should get a honda instead, I was asking out of the two, which would you get?
Also, for anyone interested...he also has a black 914 with a 2.0 engine. Body and engine are in great shape. Interior needs to be restored, but he has all the stuff needed, including A/C. He wants 1500 for that one.
And please, I wasn't asking if I should get a honda instead, I was asking out of the two, which would you get?
Also, for anyone interested...he also has a black 914 with a 2.0 engine. Body and engine are in great shape. Interior needs to be restored, but he has all the stuff needed, including A/C. He wants 1500 for that one.
Hmmm. Now *I'm* interested. So its just like a go kart right? Down left for first?
1500 bucks? Hmmm. In NC? Can you PM me the info?
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10-04-2005, 10:00 PM
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Within the marque...maintenance costs are typically directly related to the original cost of the vehicles.
914 would probably be ~$28-30k car today..
(because of it's age - and it's propensity for rust - probably make it proportionately higher maintenance$)
944 - ~$30-34 today
951 - ~$40-45k (BTW - my modded 951 is getting a new clutch, fork, throw out tube...the parts alone have a wholesale cost of over $800....the BOOK labor on it is over 30 hours...do the math! Nonetheless - the cluth being replaced has about 7 years/130k miles on it, inculding probably 2-300 AX Runs, and a couple dozen DE's - and was probably good for another 30k - had the throwout tube not cracked into 2 pieces. Slightly lower costs for parts for the same job on a 944...about the same for a 928, except the labor to do the job on these two is in the single digit hours...SO - there ARE exceptions to the rules!)
928...WAY over $100k
all 3 (4 if you count the 951) are VERY different animals - built for VERY different purposes & markets.
The BEST answer - GET ONE OF EACH!!!
914 would probably be ~$28-30k car today..
(because of it's age - and it's propensity for rust - probably make it proportionately higher maintenance$)
944 - ~$30-34 today
951 - ~$40-45k (BTW - my modded 951 is getting a new clutch, fork, throw out tube...the parts alone have a wholesale cost of over $800....the BOOK labor on it is over 30 hours...do the math! Nonetheless - the cluth being replaced has about 7 years/130k miles on it, inculding probably 2-300 AX Runs, and a couple dozen DE's - and was probably good for another 30k - had the throwout tube not cracked into 2 pieces. Slightly lower costs for parts for the same job on a 944...about the same for a 928, except the labor to do the job on these two is in the single digit hours...SO - there ARE exceptions to the rules!)
928...WAY over $100k
all 3 (4 if you count the 951) are VERY different animals - built for VERY different purposes & markets.
The BEST answer - GET ONE OF EACH!!!
10-04-2005, 10:07 PM
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Arash.
My general impressions:
When something breaks on a 944: oh, goodie, where's my tool bag
When something breaks on the 928: God help me. Dad, can you leave your car and 2 credit cards here for a couple days?
When I take the 944 out: bumpy ride sometimes, really controllable, comfy
When I take the 928 out: smoother, faster, roomier
All these are my own experiences and opinions, but I hope my data and impressions help you. Sorry I can't say anything about a 914 (no first hand experience).
Arash- What exactly have you fixed on you Dad's 928 that took two credit cards and only a couple days? You have peaked my interest.
When something breaks on a 944: oh, goodie, where's my tool bag
When something breaks on the 928: God help me. Dad, can you leave your car and 2 credit cards here for a couple days?
When I take the 944 out: bumpy ride sometimes, really controllable, comfy
When I take the 928 out: smoother, faster, roomier
All these are my own experiences and opinions, but I hope my data and impressions help you. Sorry I can't say anything about a 914 (no first hand experience).
Arash- What exactly have you fixed on you Dad's 928 that took two credit cards and only a couple days? You have peaked my interest.
10-04-2005, 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by BrendanC
Do you have some explosive knowledge that a potential buyer should know about?
...It is explosive - "The 928 is not that bad in maintenance - with WAY more rewards" - I drove 2 separate 928s for 2 years each, with only basic tires, brakes, and oil changes. *I* broke one then, and replaced the trans, and broke it again. MY FAULT - not the car's. The second - was fixed improperly by a PO and fried a brain. It was not an "electrical problem," though, as electrical issues, as they say are problems for 928s are usually simply grounding issues (I recall my 924S having grounding issues I fixed with 3 ground straps) or PO WIRING CRAP.
Is there some sort of electronic function that automatically charges your Visa every time you start the car?
...Heh, no, but since 928intl, Devek, and 928spec all have my damn credit card, that may well be.
Do they run on ground up moonrocks and Faberge' eggs?
...No, just ground up blood and skin. Mine that is.
I joined this forum to learn. You're clearly experienced (the engine in the pic is gorgeous), so why not share your knowledge a little bit?
....My point was its NOT that much to run these beasts. They are so rewarding even when **** bricks from PO terror. All I have I have learned on the 928 board, email lists, websites, and laying under my 928s staring at what hanz and franz thought about and made real.
I built that engine for 4700 dollars. New pistons, rebuilt heads, polsihed valves, new springs, custom spring heights and pressures, lapped bores - the right way, etc. Sure, it took like 8 months, but it was WELL worth it. I did it to the last "nth" degree. I hope to do my 5.0 in about a month. I can't wait another 8 months.
I simply do not like when internet boards are places where info is echoed and not shared.
I know that 944 turbos don't constantly blow HGs if you "do it right", and I know 944s aren't that hard to change the belts on and do the clutch. Its spread around like that on other boards though and I see it as a shame.
...It is explosive - "The 928 is not that bad in maintenance - with WAY more rewards" - I drove 2 separate 928s for 2 years each, with only basic tires, brakes, and oil changes. *I* broke one then, and replaced the trans, and broke it again. MY FAULT - not the car's. The second - was fixed improperly by a PO and fried a brain. It was not an "electrical problem," though, as electrical issues, as they say are problems for 928s are usually simply grounding issues (I recall my 924S having grounding issues I fixed with 3 ground straps) or PO WIRING CRAP.
Is there some sort of electronic function that automatically charges your Visa every time you start the car?
...Heh, no, but since 928intl, Devek, and 928spec all have my damn credit card, that may well be.
Do they run on ground up moonrocks and Faberge' eggs?
...No, just ground up blood and skin. Mine that is.
I joined this forum to learn. You're clearly experienced (the engine in the pic is gorgeous), so why not share your knowledge a little bit?
....My point was its NOT that much to run these beasts. They are so rewarding even when **** bricks from PO terror. All I have I have learned on the 928 board, email lists, websites, and laying under my 928s staring at what hanz and franz thought about and made real.
I built that engine for 4700 dollars. New pistons, rebuilt heads, polsihed valves, new springs, custom spring heights and pressures, lapped bores - the right way, etc. Sure, it took like 8 months, but it was WELL worth it. I did it to the last "nth" degree. I hope to do my 5.0 in about a month. I can't wait another 8 months.
I simply do not like when internet boards are places where info is echoed and not shared.
I know that 944 turbos don't constantly blow HGs if you "do it right", and I know 944s aren't that hard to change the belts on and do the clutch. Its spread around like that on other boards though and I see it as a shame.
Great post.
The selection of nice, affordable old Porsches in NC has me considering a move.
10-04-2005, 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by BrendanC
Hmmm. Now *I'm* interested. So its just like a go kart right? Down left for first?
1500 bucks? Hmmm. In NC? Can you PM me the info?
Thanks
1500 bucks? Hmmm. In NC? Can you PM me the info?
Thanks
Except you can put a built up 2.0 liter in them and a wide-open, "VW on crystal meth" sounding exhaust. I will never forget my first ride in a '14.
The shifter is interesting. Down and left, not very notchy. Cool.
10-04-2005, 10:26 PM
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I only see one problem with buying the 928...your 944 will become your beater. 
If you decide on the 928, try to get one that as big ticket item already done ie; radiator, engine mounths(porsche), shocks, etc.. Service records are always important for knowing when things were/needs to be done. Don't freek out on the TBelt , water pump scare, if you do your own wrenching, parts are not that expensive. Personaly I will not change the water pump unless defective on inspection when doing the TB. There is alot of detail on doing EVERYTHING on the 928 forum. Alot of experienced members over there!
I got mine this summer. All I can say, is that this is the best car I have ever owned/driven (I'm 47), rock solid constuction, VERY comfortable seats. Desing wise : one the coolest car ever made for sure. Personaly, I would not drive this car in winter up here. The risk of damage it to grate.
If you decide on the 928, try to get one that as big ticket item already done ie; radiator, engine mounths(porsche), shocks, etc.. Service records are always important for knowing when things were/needs to be done. Don't freek out on the TBelt , water pump scare, if you do your own wrenching, parts are not that expensive. Personaly I will not change the water pump unless defective on inspection when doing the TB. There is alot of detail on doing EVERYTHING on the 928 forum. Alot of experienced members over there!
I got mine this summer. All I can say, is that this is the best car I have ever owned/driven (I'm 47), rock solid constuction, VERY comfortable seats. Desing wise : one the coolest car ever made for sure. Personaly, I would not drive this car in winter up here. The risk of damage it to grate.
10-04-2005, 10:31 PM
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More like a go-kart than you can even imagine.
Except you can put a built up 2.0 liter in them and a wide-open, "VW on crystal meth" sounding exhaust. I will never forget my first ride in a '14.
The shifter is interesting. Down and left, not very notchy. Cool.
Except you can put a built up 2.0 liter in them and a wide-open, "VW on crystal meth" sounding exhaust. I will never forget my first ride in a '14.
The shifter is interesting. Down and left, not very notchy. Cool.
I found this site: http://www.aircooledtechnology.com/coatings.htm
Now those are some rabid fans. But they are trying so hard to get 200hp? Really? I mean, I hope that its just really fun with 2000lbs.
Down left 1st - I like, I love. Where is this guy in NC
10-04-2005, 10:41 PM
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I've had something like 9 914s and 2 928s and used all of them for daily drivers. Both can be a lot of fun and reasonably affordable if you do your own work. For a daily driver 928 I would think about a 16 valve manual as they do not self destruct through either timing belt failure or thrust bearing failure.
I would decide based on where you will be driving and your desire for comfort. If you will be driving on the freeway much I would go towards the 928. Around town you will really prefer the 914 but on the freeway the 928 really shines. For town driving don't let people bias you too much against the 1.7 and 1.8 as they can be lots of fun too. Personally I kinda prefer the 1.8 because the D jet is a pain in the butt at times.
Also, there is the comfort thing. Personally, when I found myself thinking of putting AC, leather seats, and power windows in my 914 I realised it was just time to move on up.
I would decide based on where you will be driving and your desire for comfort. If you will be driving on the freeway much I would go towards the 928. Around town you will really prefer the 914 but on the freeway the 928 really shines. For town driving don't let people bias you too much against the 1.7 and 1.8 as they can be lots of fun too. Personally I kinda prefer the 1.8 because the D jet is a pain in the butt at times.
Also, there is the comfort thing. Personally, when I found myself thinking of putting AC, leather seats, and power windows in my 914 I realised it was just time to move on up.
10-04-2005, 11:24 PM
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Safety is my #1 issue with 914's. If this would have happened in a 914, anyone in the car would be a red stain on the ground with the paramedics using sponges:
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-forum/227663-does-anyone-here-recognize-this-1989-5-speed-i-purchased-last-week.html
914's are fun cars, I know this and I have driven a few. A daily driver in SUV land? Never in a million years. I am cut off every time I drive my 928 by people who cannot see or hear me (ever hear a 928 with straight pipe's?) A 914 would be even worse.
As for the 944 vs 928 when it comes to repairs. My 944S has cost more to maintian than both of my 928's put together. One is a track car and I'm including the track upgrades in this.
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-forum/227663-does-anyone-here-recognize-this-1989-5-speed-i-purchased-last-week.html
914's are fun cars, I know this and I have driven a few. A daily driver in SUV land? Never in a million years. I am cut off every time I drive my 928 by people who cannot see or hear me (ever hear a 928 with straight pipe's?) A 914 would be even worse.
As for the 944 vs 928 when it comes to repairs. My 944S has cost more to maintian than both of my 928's put together. One is a track car and I'm including the track upgrades in this.
10-05-2005, 12:31 AM
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Hack-man,
You are so right about SUV land and the 914 - probably can slide right under a Hummer, but wouldn't enjoy the haircut! To be honest, 914 vs. anything, including a mini Cooper is not a fair fight. Old technology.
You are so right about SUV land and the 914 - probably can slide right under a Hummer, but wouldn't enjoy the haircut! To be honest, 914 vs. anything, including a mini Cooper is not a fair fight. Old technology.
10-05-2005, 12:40 AM
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I do think I have made my decision...girlfriend even okay'ed it (which is a BIG plus)...
by the end of the month, my sig line should read 1974 Porsche 914 2.0
by the end of the month, my sig line should read 1974 Porsche 914 2.0
10-05-2005, 12:44 AM
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This is kind of silly. This guy has a hopped up 951 and lives with his grandmother...no disrespect about the latter, but a bmw 325 or a japanese beater would be best. Keep life simple while you can.
The 928 can easily become an obsession; it draws you in to it's design, build, looks, drive and vibe. I need 928 methadone already...
The 928 can easily become an obsession; it draws you in to it's design, build, looks, drive and vibe. I need 928 methadone already...
