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Old 12-15-2011, 06:58 PM
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Hello Folks,

Today was the first time I ever drove any air cooled 911. I tested a 1988 911 Targa. It was 100xxx miles, and condition is fair. However, I found the positions of the pedals very peculiar (for someone who knows nothing about air cooled 911s).

The gas pedal is very recessed from the brake, and the brake travel is very small. Plus there is very little space to the right of the gas pedal, so it's impossible for me to do heel and toe.

Is this usual for 911s in this and earlier periods? Is there any improvement for the 964 Turbo?

FYI, I have a gen 1 Cayman S and the pedals are just perfect for me.
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Old 12-15-2011, 07:03 PM
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You just aren't used to it. And yes, the brake pedal height can be adjusted. Also note, these pedals are "floor mounted" and don't hang from above like your Cayman, so they seem to travel a bit differently.

Also consider, if you are tracking the car, and the brakes get hot, the pedal will be lower, which will assist in your heal/toe.

Also consider the fact that some "heal toe" can be
1) heal on brake, toe on gas
2) toe on brake, heal on gas
3) rolling the foot.. left side on brake, right side on gas

Or, you could spend $$$$ on fancy, shiny pedal "pads" that purport to make it easier. But not every car you drive has these pedals, so learning and practicing on a variation of pedal placements will make you more adept the next time.
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who knows, never been in a 964 but your 911 sounds about right. I hear the 964 turbo is a pretty rare beast
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Originally Posted by racer View Post
You just aren't used to it...
Or, you could spend $$$$ on fancy, shiny pedal "pads" that purport to make it easier
I have an '87 and I never did get used to it, so I decided to spend some $$$$ on fancy pedal pads (mine aren't shiny) and an adjustable throttle pad to raise up the gas pedal to be closer to the brake. Got 'em from Rennline and I am very happy with the resulting ability to more easily heel/toe.

There are many opinions and options out there, but this worked for me.
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Originally Posted by Carrera3.2LG50 View Post
I have an '87 and I never did get used to it, so I decided to spend some $$$$ on fancy pedal pads (mine aren't shiny) and an adjustable throttle pad to raise up the gas pedal to be closer to the brake. Got 'em from Rennline and I am very happy with the resulting ability to more easily heel/toe.

Hi Paul,

Thanks for the info. Could you post a pic of what your pedals look like?
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3) rolling the foot.. left side on brake, right side on gas
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3) rolling the foot.. left side on brake, right side on gas
This doesn't work for me due to the height diffeential. Maybe I need Ronald McDonald shoes.
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Yes, you can heel and toe a 911. I end up turning my foot about 45 degree CCW.
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Originally Posted by Caferacer View Post
This doesn't work for me due to the height diffeential. Maybe I need Ronald McDonald shoes.
You can raise the accelerator pedal and lower the brake using the standard adjustable pushrods, allowing the brake to be slightly above the accelerator when fully depressed.
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Originally Posted by Ed Hughes View Post
Yes, you can heel and toe a 911. I end up turning my foot about 45 degree CCW.

Had to do the same in mine. Took about an hour of driving to get use to it but then felt fine.
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Originally Posted by gti2kids View Post
Hi Paul,
Thanks for the info. Could you post a pic of what your pedals look like?
I responded to another post regarding heel/toe earlier this year and posted some pics in Post #15 in this thread:
https://rennlist.com/forums/911-foru...-this-car.html
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Having the brake pedal higher actually helps you to just blip the gas while really crushing down on the brake...
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Originally Posted by Carrera3.2LG50 View Post
I responded to another post regarding heel/toe earlier this year and posted some pics in Post #15 in this thread:
https://rennlist.com/forums/911-foru...-this-car.html
Hi Paul,

Thanks for the photos. It seems your brake and gas pedals are almost flush. Does this mean that the gas is actually higher when you fully depress the brake?
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Originally Posted by gti2kids View Post
Hi Paul,

Thanks for the photos. It seems your brake and gas pedals are almost flush. Does this mean that the gas is actually higher when you fully depress the brake?
That is an UNSAFE situation, do not ever adjust to that relationship. And, I mean when the brake pedal is being stood on.
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Originally Posted by KILRWAIL View Post
You can raise the accelerator pedal and lower the brake using the standard adjustable pushrods, allowing the brake to be slightly above the accelerator when fully depressed.
Yup. I have my race car set up like this. I have very limited motion in my ankle on the up side and the only way I can rev match is like this.
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