CAlexio

Makes sense no.. ? lower revving/detuned version of the 4.0 GT3 engine across multiple cars in the lineup. GT4/Spyder/Speedster/Sport Classic. Then RS gets the 4.2.

And the beat goes on...

-eztrader-

Porsche wil have all my money

Marvinta

And suddenly it makes sense.

Petevb

As I've said elsewhere I'm still hoping for a destroked 3.6L (or even 3.4L) version of the 9A1.5 that still revs to 9. Keep the head, dry sump, etc and simply drop the displacement. Let it scream.

guab

While I would love to see this happen, but the markups would be more insane than they are now (the car was underpriced though).

I think they will need to be cautious approaching price points of the GT3, and doing a de-tuned version of the GT3 motor might push that price too close. Then again, hope I'm wrong. As someone else said, they'd have all my money.

Petevb

Price (excluding markup) will be mainly determined by power to weight ratio as usual. Thus in order to keep the price in check we need to hope for (relatively) limited performance.

GT models are always a bit better than Porsche's regular lineup in $ per performance, but not too much. Looking at the landscape (below) there will be a nice slot at ~420 hp and ~98k USD (roughly 280 hp/ ton) that I would be tempted to aim at if I were Porsche. With a short-stroke 3.4L that would require virtually no de-tuning of the GT3's 9A1.5 to get there, and as a side benefit the relative lack of torque vs the 3.8 and 3.0 turbos should mean they won't need to saddle us with overly tall gearing (to keep 0-60 slower than the Carrera S) again.

The short stroke should also mean the bottom end rods, pistons and crank wouldn't need to be as exotic as the GT3s, while the economies of scale on the GT3's head and oiling system spread across more cars should make up for the higher cost of those parts. The lower friction and small displacement should also improve fuel economy over the 3.8. You do need a new lower final drive, but overall it'd be awesome without being too awesome, and make a better platform for the next clubsport due to the dry sump, etc.

I agree markups would be even higher, but isn't that almost their goal? If it were me...

CAlexio

Dude I love you and this GD chart.. every time it gets updated I get a chubby.

Richard.

and will it have PDK ???

guab

Unlikely given the current spyder

spyderphile

Actually, in one of the transcripts of AP's speech (Rennsport Reunion?) posted by Eduardo, he admitted that the Spyder could have been a GT car. Yes, they haven't done an open top car, not withstanding Carrera GT. Apparently, factory capacity was an issue. In the end, he seemed to have left the door open for it to be a GT. So, there is a chance.


Spyder will have PDK. AP is on record, more than once, saying that they would want to provide both the options for the consumer to choose.

spyderphile

I like this idea better than 4.0. Might be lighter; and, who wouldn't want to rev to 9k?? While they are at it, make at least first 3 gears shorter. However, such an engine might not meet current regs. Will it?

Suicide Jockey

Bold call, Henry. I'm betting manual only, although the 987 was obviously offered with PDK so there is precedent. And, of course, the new GT3 is offered with either transmission. But given that the Spyder is not a track-oriented model and falls within that niche of Porsches like the R that are marketed as purist offerings that are more analog in nature, my bet is no PDK.

Would any of us with 981 Spyders have checked the box for PDK if offered? My guess is very few.

guab

I hope it offers PDK. It'll result in less manuals and keep prices for us owners of ones higher.

Richard.

Cayman/Boxster is 200/250Kg lighter than a 911 and handles better, lets hope for Porsche AG being brave

spyderphile

Nick, you are right that Porsche is all over the map with respect to transmission exclusivity. Though AP stated that they want to offer a choice, Turbo, GTx RS are PDK-only. The rationalization could be, RSs are track focused; and, the Turbo's take-rate of MT was pretty low, historically (Turbo drivers can't be bothered to shift on their own)! AP apparently stated that they didn't have the time to develop PDK for GT4. He could be fudging a bit to avoid having to say, 'we wanted to slow it down a bit'!

As for the PDK take-rate for Spyder, I suspect, would be substantial. We already seen forum members criticizing Porsche for not offering PDK. So, we might see a sizable group opting for it. MT die-hards are a tiny minority. And, those truthfully eschew auto-rev matching are the real MT Guardians, and even smaller group!!



Brave in what way?