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The SSR Coilover package comes with Camber plates front and rear. Car already has adjustable solid caster puck/thrust bushings
Only other thing might be Clubsport/Cup Car LCA inner for the Front which is larger and allow more range for camber... some other use an LCA with extended bolts for more Shim.
As for SSR you deal direct with SSR.
But only needed for a hard core track set up, Manthey and SSR don't fit toelinks by default.
I would def go base MR settings 1st and then see if you run out of cambers.
IMO the car just needs a set of shocks, no parts, be it MR, SSR or MCS. You need to be going pretty fast to need more than -2.5 in this car as it's very stiff and not like a GT4.. Too much camber makes you slower if you don't use it all or don't want to run a cup R tyre or AO52. Plus anything over -2.5 on the road again imo is horrible.
As for SSR you deal direct with SSR.
But only needed for a hard core track set up, Manthey and SSR don't fit toelinks by default.
I would def go base MR settings 1st and then see if you run out of cambers.
IMO the car just needs a set of shocks, no parts, be it MR, SSR or MCS. You need to be going pretty fast to need more than -2.5 in this car as it's very stiff and not like a GT4.. Too much camber makes you slower if you don't use it all or don't want to run a cup R tyre or AO52. Plus anything over -2.5 on the road again imo is horrible.
Of course this is only all in my view :-p
I had the 718 GT4 Manthey upgrade kit. Kept the parts when I sold the GT4. No one would fit the shims, top mounts, tie rods for me.
Manthey told me not to fit these parts as they're not tested on the car..
Manthey ‘Untested’ might be true but it’s literally what everyone is doing with to get decent camber for proper track usage. Camber plates F/R , shims and toe links.
Even the full Manthey ‘geo for customers’ is still relatively mild as it has to fit into Porsche approved hierarchy.
If you have Manthey parts you end up going further than their ‘vanilla OTS’ recommendations. Unless they know you… or you ask the right questions.. you are gonna get the standard hymn sheet answers…
better to get range of knowledge from lots of sources and formulate an informed view.
I asked Manthey about the OEM MR tequipment kit, said it comes with toelinks and is set at 2.6 up front (the 'Approved set up'.
From an image someone has shown me, front top mounts do not have the additional camber/tuck adjustment at the top that the 718/981 KWs had and so may preclude running 265s. I assume this is to ensure load on the turret mount remains even given the past failures under severe load/berms/kerb hits.
...and perhaps hierarchy as more rubber = faster around ring?
I asked Manthey about the OEM MR tequipment kit, said it comes with toelinks and is set at 2.6 up front (the 'Approved set up'.
From an image someone has shown me, front top mounts do not have the additional camber/tuck adjustment at the top that the 718/981 KWs had and so may preclude running 265s. I assume this is to ensure load on the turret mount remains even given the past failures under severe load/berms/kerb hits.
...and perhaps hierarchy as more rubber = faster around ring?
Manthey ‘Untested’ might be true but it’s literally what everyone is doing with to get decent camber for proper track usage. Camber plates F/R , shims and toe links.
Even the full Manthey ‘geo for customers’ is still relatively mild as it has to fit into Porsche approved hierarchy.
If you have Manthey parts you end up going further than their ‘vanilla OTS’ recommendations. Unless they know you… or you ask the right questions.. you are gonna get the standard hymn sheet answers…
better to get range of knowledge from lots of sources and formulate an informed view.
Bit harsh. As said, none of the UK "specialists" would help me fit the parts. I trust what Manthey say as they've done work for me before. I'll stick to their recommendations.
Bit harsh. As said, none of the UK "specialists" would help me fit the parts. I trust what Manthey say as they've done work for me before. I'll stick to their recommendations.
As for SSR you deal direct with SSR.
But only needed for a hard core track set up, Manthey and SSR don't fit toelinks by default.
I would def go base MR settings 1st and then see if you run out of cambers.
IMO the car just needs a set of shocks, no parts, be it MR, SSR or MCS. You need to be going pretty fast to need more than -2.5 in this car as it's very stiff and not like a GT4.. Too much camber makes you slower if you don't use it all or don't want to run a cup R tyre or AO52. Plus anything over -2.5 on the road again imo is horrible.
Of course this is only all in my view :-p
I don't believe these ride height numbers are accurate. I think they are the ride height targets for use with the Manthey alignment equipment. This photo is incomplete and the missing context mentions something about use of hubstands.
93 is stupid low. You'll scrape on everything. 140mm rear is 10mm higher than stock and while you can achieve it, the suspension geo at that ride height is quite dynamic.
If it is too stiff for you, then upgrade it. An affordable option would be to change out the springs when you add camber plates and go with a set of Swift 90/120s. Ten less in front and twenty less in the rear. Then there will be enough rebound available in the OEM Sachs Motorsports shocks to control the softer springs in both the front and especially the rear of the car. Then add a DSC box to fine tune the rebound and compression rates to get the fluidity that you desire. Not an easy task, but neither is adding MCS with whatever spring rates, canister pressures, and *** setting you need to get the perfect ride. This costs far less and keeps the car more OEM with a sport and normal shock setting.
Rear spring rates of 140 Nm appear to be just too stiff for a strut car when driven on bumpy roads.
My GT4 was pretty amazing with a 60/80 spring setup and the sport shock setting.
Given the Spyder RS runs the GT4 spring rates from what I understand, I am tempted to get a set of these springs installed on my car together with the DSC as it comes from Tom and see how it compares to stock. This will be for a car that is used predominantly on back roads and not the track.
06-25-2024, 07:50 AM
