Lucifer

So basically I have two sources of data - one contains very similar results to what a vinanalytics output looks like, I have that for around 40% of the cars.
The other type provides much less information about each car (basically year, model, color and a few other things) but I do have it for 100% of the cars (that were imported to NA).

So I checked your request against the first data source - and 35 of the Spyders had some type of CXX.
I feel confident this number is very close to the actual number, despite it being filtered from the smaller data source, because the smaller data source contains almost exclusively "Customer Vehicle" orders (=an allocation a customer customized and not the dealer).
Just to prove my point - the complete data set contains 56 PTS Spyders - the smaller data set contains 51 PTS Spyders - almost all of them (despite it containing only ~40% of all cars).

Lucifer

I was bored so I processed the GT4 data as well -
Total cars for MY20-22: 2664
Standard interior with Silver Stitching: 587 (this is somewhat surprising)
PCCB: 1084
LWBS: 1970 (that's insane)
PCCB+LWBS: 634

bill3

Cool!
Approx the same as 981 GT4 (2383 by my notes)

kmh0277

How many MY20-22 GT4's with PDK vs. Manual?

Lucifer

Among customer cars - 40%

FalconSix

40% manual or 40% PDK?

Lucifer

40% PDK

0-Day

This surprises me that the PDKs are only 40%. Anecdotally, if I look at the used market, it feels like well over half of these cars are PDK. Perhaps one way to interpret it is that the people that own manual cars tend to hold on to them more so than the people that own PDK cars... Of course you also had the complete 2020 model year and the first month or two of the 2021 model year where the PDK was not available...

TXshaggy

PDK was available from the start of the 2021 MY.

I passed on a couple 2020 allocations waiting for PDK.

2021 MY started after the August holiday break. My car was finished on 16 Sep.

Here is the Press Release which strangely wasn’t until early Sept, but as noted available since June.

https://newsroom.porsche.com/en_US/p...gt4-22097.html

0-Day

What you say may be true. But it's also true that the very first allocation batch of USA 2021 GT4s were all manual-only. The online GT4 2021 MY configurator for the US from early May 2020 to June 26, 2020 only showed manual transmission as well for 2021. I know this because I was offered by 2 different local dealers in that time frame that I could take a 2021 MY manual allocation right away but if I wanted a PDK 2021 allocation slot that could be ordered with PDK, I would need to wait for their next batch of 2021 allocations, which they expected soon.

These were both pretty high volume Premier Porsche dealerships independently telling me the same story at that time. So I doubt they were just making it up.

I got the impression that they were having a hard time getting people to bite on the handful of very early 2021 allocations that could only be specced manual because I was originally very far down on these dealerships' GT4 wait lists, but I got these calls from the dealers because the wait list people ahead of me at each dealership only wanted PDK.

TXshaggy

Really depends on how you interpret what those dealers were telling you. This wasn't unique to the GT4, Spyder was the same

Yes, the very first tranche of MY2021 718 GT cars was released before the dealer could option a PDK in PSVMS. In May/June 2020 my dealer wasn't sure when PAG would update the PDK pricing and ability in PSVMS for MY2021. I was told the same, the only configurable option was manual for my 2021 Spyder at that time. They also told me that they were expecting PSVMS to update the PDK option well before any MY2021 V250 Vehicle Fixed Dates. I wasn't worried, because they were projecting a late fall Spyder allocation also for me, if I needed to flex to a later allocation for PDK.

Ultimately, sometime in June PSVMS went live with PDK and pricing and I configured my Spyder. Don't think any MY 2021s had hit the freeze point by then, so still configurable. Imagine people who wanted a 2021 manual, obviously stuck with it...but the allocation could have been changed to PDK up to the V250 date.

My vehicle hit V250 on 1 Sept, V300 16 Sept, and was in Houston on 16 Oct. There were US PDK GT4s produced around mine...you can see the VINs on Ron's spreadsheets.

Yes, and overlaying all this in May/June 2020 was COVID...including production halt so plenty of confusion to go around. Sounds like you were specc'ing a manual so perhaps not as close to the internal details as I was mining for PDK.

handpainttosample

When is MY2023 wrapping up? Would love to see final production numbers. Theres a great thread in the 991.2 GT3 subforum that breaks everything down nicely.

Lucifer

991 is easy, as the trick to get a complete build sheet directly from Porsche was available back then. Sadly it isn't anymore. vinanalytics also paywalled their data, and they used the build-sheet trick too.
This all to say that my data is far from perfect. I have complete data for all the customer cars, but they represent less than 50% of all cars. I have only partial data for all other cars.

Regarding PDK:
- Was not available to MY20
- Data represents only customer cars that maybe tends towards manual

dnimi123

So there are only 2664 GT4 cars made to date overall? And people dont think that the GT4RS wont get close to this number? m betting they get over 2k at least

Lucifer

No, there are 2664 GT4s MY20 MY21 and MY22 for North America. Some of them are at the bottom of the Atlantic (not that many though).