You do realize that those stupid comments just make you look like a douche right?

Grow up and stop acting like a man child.

 

it's a second a mile slower on ave. so if you are having fun with the same driver standards the 992 is pulling away every bend ie you will never catch it, within 3 or 4 bends it will be gone, you cannot stay with it either to have fun, it's just going to pull away all the time after two laps it won;t be on the same bit of road.

So yes if I were after track times or you tube times or to be faster than friends if that is a thing I would buy a 992 GT3 every time. goto most track days bragging rights seem to win above having fun these days. But it is a bit daft when 99.9% track drivers are still way off the pace of a Paid Pro race driver.
just winning at track days seems a thing so buy a 992 GT3, you can bet your life all these VIP's will part ex the 992 gt3 for a 992.2 GT3..

 

not really the 992 GT3 is just faster though the bend. you have more turn in, and can get on the power earlier The 4RS is not really making it up anywhere you are just going slower. so you loose circa 2/10th a bend and that's that bend after bend after bend for that 30 minute stint.
you drive a 992 GT3 more like a mid engine car we are not talking Cayman VS 996 GT3's those days are long gone.

 

Stop posting on subjects you don't know anything of.....


I'm sure you're adding a lot of great insights to S/T suspensions...
Just as worthless as your track tire insights....
And your GT4 RS driving insights....

 

It's kind of hopeless to try to win at track days, because somebody can always outspend you to make their car faster. In my run group at track days, I often encounter full-on race cars like 911 cup cars, sometimes even driven by pro drivers. Lots of people also put slicks on their Porsche street cars, and no point trying to compete with that if you're on something like Cup 2 which overheats after a few hard laps.

I had my 991.1 GT3 for 8 years, never used anything gripper than Cup 2, and I traded in the car only because I didn't want to own it after the engine warranty expired, given that I had two engine replacements under warranty. I got the 992 GT3 to replace the 991.1 GT3, and even got the same color. I got the 991.2 3RS because it was a bucket list thing and I wanted the 911 RS experience (it's everything it's cracked up to be). I got the 4RS because I wanted the best mid-engine Porsche for the track, something different from a 911.

I have no doubt that plenty of 4RS will be passing plenty of 992 GT3 across all run groups - 992 GT3 drivers are not safe!

 

 

I don't know GT3 is faster in every situation. I would argue 4RS being faster on low speed bends. But I don't have data to back that up.
But I get your point that equal driver, stock car. GT3 is normally faster than 4RS in a pure track time perspective. Wether you can call that 1 second difference a "stay close" I argue for but you argue against. But I see your point of view.

But bigger point I am trying to make is mostly against people calling the GT4 platform extremely flawed, like TRZ. The platform has issues, but so does the GT3 platform. The difference in power/aero/tire is what sets the 1 second difference between GT3/4RS, not really the issues people are calling out.
4RS modified to have equal tire/aero/power as a GT3 should close that 1 second gap, or even faster.
I would even go out on a limb and say extensively modifed 4RS is gonna be faster than extensively modified GT3, but again I have no data to back that up.

And yeah, this is just a internet keyboard warrior discussion that has not much bearing on regular folks' usage.

 

Win track days? What does that even mean? It's not racing.

Most of us that track on a regular basis are out there looking to improve our own individual times, in our own respective cars. I don't know anyone who's in the paddock talking about how one car is, or should be faster than another car because blah blah blah. Bench racing someone else's performance on a random track is for Internet arguments and trolls.

To me, tracking is like surfing—the vast majority of ppl are encouraging, supportive, and welcoming. And it's a thrill to just be out there working to improve lap after lap, session after session. Cheering a friend on to set their own PB is a great feeling—whether they are driving a Civic or a McLaren.

GT4, GT4 RS, GT3, GT3 RS...these cars all have their own individual character, and are all massively capable on track. I appreciate Porsche for offering such a great range of track-oriented cars.

 

Let's just end the track debate thread there.

I drive a GT4RS. You drive a GT3. He's tracking a GT3 Cup. I ride a blahblahblah. You surf a blahblahblah. Are we having a good time? F***ing epic, honestly. Let's all enjoy that. If you track frequently, you know the guy with the GT3 Cup who is a slower driver. There's always a guy in a tubbed E30 that drives 11/10th and passes everyone.

Surfing is awesome. Mountain biking is awesome. Driving a fast, durable car on the track is awesome. It's great to be alive.

 

TBF… that driver and car have proven are also faster than 992 3RS at Spa… so just like Lando Norris is finding out… its not just about having the fastest car!

 

+100. This. And good on him for having such an awesome car and tracking it. Who cares if he's slow. He's a boss for being out there and enjoying it as designed.

But I know this is a GT4 RS driving impressions thread. My impression is that it's a riot on my local tracks. It's not the easiest thing to get around a lap, but it's a lot of fun and has tremendous character. On the street, it's fine. Tbh, I prefer driving my GTI on the street than any Porsche GT car. I would personally never buy any GT car for mostly street duty. I think a Carrera GTS, Turbo/Turbo S, or ST (for the ballers) would be my winners in that category.

 

Yes the GT RS is not perfect, but it is a hell of a lot of fun to drive on the track. 100% agree with Kelvin. Watch Randy driving at COTA. He is moving the wheel all over the place and having a blast driving the car. He is making it run in the 2:18s not all the electronics. I rather like to earn my pace and have so much fun in the 4RS doing so. It is a predictable platform that you know what it is going to give you depending your inputs. All those corrections that Randy is making are keeping the car at the top of the friction curve .... both sides of it. That is the ultimate place to be for the fastest times (at the peak), and the most fun sliding around the turn with slip angle (a tiny bit down the back side).

 

But he did say he did not like how it drove and thus could be faster with tweaks. he did not want the rear end going away from him and having to correct it, and thus no one really does we are all trying to dial that out the car. when you state "All those corrections that Randy is making" he don't want to be doing it !! he said as much.

 

I turn upto a RMA Porsche day say, on my cups.2 90% of the cars are on ST disks and R spec tyres which are £2.5k a set. People like to win at track days other wise why spend £2.5k on tyres which last 150 miles ! the Porsche days here are full of fully tricked up cars (not real modded cars) but r specs and ST disks so much so I won't do an RMA day in the UK, it's too rich when all the cars arrive on trailers and have a back up team to keep swapping tyres !!. you even see 1/2 the Cars are full on MR spec cars with the £55k or £65k MR kits on them on top the the ST disks and R spec tyres.

As I stated track day drivers in the main are not that fast if we are honest about track day performance, so why does every car wear R spec £2.5k tyres which net you a second a mile. Seems every one wants that 2 second advantage a lap even though they are 10 seconds off a Pro lap pace in the 1st place ;-). I would not pay £2.5k for R 's to just do some fun laps with a few mates myself let alone an £55k 4RS MR kit to net me 0.5 seconds mile !
track days were more fun 20 years ago and more relaxed.

 

yes the car suite that small track I think it;s the cork screw on the short circuit at the end, no power car does well there if they run the short track. but that's 1 from 20. and I put it down to the last 2 bends which suits mid engine and small cars.