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Old 09-10-2023, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Zee Germanz
Any news / speculation on when the 4RS production will end?
Mid 2024 probably, I don't think they will do an MY25. Originally it was supposed to be a 2.5 year production run but the first .5 of the run didn't make it to the US cars(original MSRP was 140 but no one got that price then it went to 149 and now 160).
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Old 09-11-2023, 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Zee Germanz
Any news / speculation on when the 4RS production will end?
Allocations have ended, contrary to what most on RL want to believe. Last production will be early 2024 as MY24s. If any further allocations happen it'll be in the next round and only a handful nationwide with most dealers being left out, also for early 2024 production as MY24s. There will be no MY25s. My guess is Porsche doesn't want to make things crazier than they are already with an end-of-run announcement too early to the last production run. This is it folks, the cheapest you'll get a 4RS is now. You should be able to buy 4-bangers for another few years. If you want a 6 cylinder, get on a list for a 911 or RS Spyder. If you want this motor in a coupe, get on a list for a GT3. Porsche isn't sacrificing extra profit for a GT4RS when they can charge more for a GT3 when the engine is the production bottleneck. Porsche is in the business to make money, which is fine. Some have argued that Porsche would profit most from not building Flat 4s and use Cayman production for the more profitable 4RS. I own 2 manufacturing companies, that's not how it works. The GT4RSs problem is the GT3. The bottleneck in production isn't body panels, space on assembly lines (now 2 of them), seats, Bose amps, etc. The problem is the engine, the most complex part of any car. They are limited by their ability to produce the engines. So they're going to save those engines for their more profitable chassis, the GT3. What resources they do have in terms of body panels, assembly line space, etc. will go to the 4 cylinder which they'll eek out as much profit as possible now because the engine has no future in their product portfolio. Engines are expensive to R&D and tool up for, they'll pivot all 718 production solely for the turbo 4 to squeak out as much profit from that soon to be extinct motor while they have the opportunity. Here's a hint, don't work with a dealer than doesn't have a race team. Get to know the team's GM. Go to the races, talk with them, make friends. You'll learn more about what's happening on the ground than you will through the dealer.

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Old 09-11-2023, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by GainesvilleGT4
Allocations have ended, contrary to what most on RL want to believe. Last production will be early 2024 as MY24s. If any further allocations happen it'll be in the next round and only a handful nationwide with most dealers being left out, also for early 2024 production as MY24s. There will be no MY25s. My guess is Porsche doesn't want to make things crazier than they are already with an end-of-run announcement too early to the last production run. This is it folks, the cheapest you'll get a 4RS is now. You should be able to buy 4-bangers for another few years. If you want a 6 cylinder, get on a list for a 911 or RS Spyder. If you want this motor in a coupe, get on a list for a GT3. Porsche isn't sacrificing extra profit for a GT4RS when they can charge more for a GT3 when the engine is the production bottleneck.
Your first three sentences contradict each other and show that you’re just speculating.
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Old 09-11-2023, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Manifold
Your first three sentences contradict each other and show that you’re just speculating.
The profit in a GT4RS is significantly lower than the GT3.

It took actually new r&d and a factory retooling to build the 4RS.... this costs money where as the GT3 is just plug and play on the assembly line for the 911s.

It just makes no financial sense for a company to bleed like that. Especially when the only reason they built it in the first place was as an homage to all the folks who'd been asking for it.

As much as it pains me to say it even with owning one which I love one day and just accept the next, it may very well be the last Special NA Porsche car thats made for the same reasons people love the CGT.
Old 09-11-2023, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Manifold
Your first three sentences contradict each other and show that you’re just speculating.
The beauty of it is that time will tell if I'm right or wrong. But don't worry, I'll remind you.
Old 09-11-2023, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by GainesvilleGT4
The beauty of it is that time will tell if I'm right or wrong. But don't worry, I'll remind you.
You may or may not be right, but you’re guessing. Yes?
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Old 09-11-2023, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Manifold
You may or may not be right, but you’re guessing. Yes?
As do most people, with the little snippets of info and experience they have. We are all guilty of that desire to share.
Old 09-11-2023, 11:32 AM
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One of the large East Coast dealers who has a massive list for the 4RS said people are starting to panic(asking how much extra they should pay to get ahead) since the year is almost over and Porsche has barely released any additional allocations. They think the current pricing for the 4RS is the "bottom" and once people realize they are not getting one directly from Porsche it will spike sales of used/already on the ground cars. They already know I have a 4RS btw and have no reason to tell me their opinion to try and sell me one.

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Old 09-11-2023, 12:25 PM
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My local dealer does not expect any more allocations (they've received 4-5 so far). We are going to find out soon. It's September already, and if there are any new allocation, they will be released in 1-2 months.
Old 09-11-2023, 12:53 PM
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Only Porsche really knows about additional GT4rs allocations.


I am biased. But I know the next GT3 will be better than the current. The next GT3rs will better than the current. The next GT2rs will be better than the last. But there probably won't be a better GT4rs than the current.
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Old 09-11-2023, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by cooler2442
Mid 2024 probably, I don't think they will do an MY25. Originally it was supposed to be a 2.5 year production run but the first .5 of the run didn't make it to the US cars(original MSRP was 140 but no one got that price then it went to 149 and now 160).
Originally Posted by GainesvilleGT4
Allocations have ended, contrary to what most on RL want to believe. Last production will be early 2024 as MY24s. If any further allocations happen it'll be in the next round and only a handful nationwide with most dealers being left out, also for early 2024 production as MY24s. There will be no MY25s. My guess is Porsche doesn't want to make things crazier than they are already with an end-of-run announcement too early to the last production run. This is it folks, the cheapest you'll get a 4RS is now. You should be able to buy 4-bangers for another few years. If you want a 6 cylinder, get on a list for a 911 or RS Spyder. If you want this motor in a coupe, get on a list for a GT3. Porsche isn't sacrificing extra profit for a GT4RS when they can charge more for a GT3 when the engine is the production bottleneck. Porsche is in the business to make money, which is fine. Some have argued that Porsche would profit most from not building Flat 4s and use Cayman production for the more profitable 4RS. I own 2 manufacturing companies, that's not how it works. The GT4RSs problem is the GT3. The bottleneck in production isn't body panels, space on assembly lines (now 2 of them), seats, Bose amps, etc. The problem is the engine, the most complex part of any car. They are limited by their ability to produce the engines. So they're going to save those engines for their more profitable chassis, the GT3. What resources they do have in terms of body panels, assembly line space, etc. will go to the 4 cylinder which they'll eek out as much profit as possible now because the engine has no future in their product portfolio. Engines are expensive to R&D and tool up for, they'll pivot all 718 production solely for the turbo 4 to squeak out as much profit from that soon to be extinct motor while they have the opportunity. Here's a hint, don't work with a dealer than doesn't have a race team. Get to know the team's GM. Go to the races, talk with them, make friends. You'll learn more about what's happening on the ground than you will through the dealer.

So where does this leave the SRS, a MY24 only offering?
Old 09-11-2023, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Westcoast
So where does this leave the SRS, a MY24 only offering?
My cleaning lady(this info is now about a year old but I haven't seen her in person for that long to ask for more) believes SRS will run MY25 and the 718 R(numbered coupe) will finish off MY25 production.

Things may have changed in the one year I was given this information but that's what my guess is based off of.
Old 09-11-2023, 01:26 PM
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they are giving out more allocations in oct/nov its not done
Old 09-11-2023, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by cooler2442
My cleaning lady(this info is now about a year old but I haven't seen her in person for that long to ask for more) believes SRS will run MY25 and the 718 R(numbered coupe) will finish off MY25 production.

Things may have changed in the one year I was given this information but that's what my guess is based off of.
There is another thread about the 718R, but I’m not getting what that could be but just a number on much the same 4RS.
Old 09-11-2023, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Phokaioglaukos
There is another thread about the 718R, but I’m not getting what that could be but just a number on much the same 4RS.
My cleaning lady a few years ago had told me that 3 variants were on the table as the last send off for the Cayman/Boxster. 4RS, SRS and 718 R. I was told 718 R would be a numbered example(so good luck getting one if each dealer will only receive 0-2 basically) and to think 911 R in a Cayman coupe body.

Who knows if the R is still on the table with all the production issues/delays/supply chain/etc.


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