GT4 RS Allocation Thread
07-06-2023, 02:41 PM
#2296
Racer
This is purely speculation now on my part, but from my experience as a manufacturer, I'd try and eak out as much profitability as I can from the enormous development cost of a turbo 4 cylinder that I only made for a few years and wasn't well received by the public initially and has no future in my product portfolio. The expensive 6 cylinder I'd save only for a higher priced product like the GT3. I'd make sure all 4 cylinder production went to the new assembly plant and use the old plant only for the GT3s using the 4.0 engine. My desire to show profitability for the turbo 4 would far outweigh my desire to make more profit per car between a 718S vs GT4RS because I'd have to explain to my investors why I made the decision to go to a turbo 4 to begin with. If the cost to develop the turbo 4 was $20M and I only made 50,000 cars, I'd look like a much better product planner if I sold 100,000 cars during the life cycle of the motor. Whether I sell 5000 GT4Rs and 5000 GT3s, or just made 10,000 GT3s, I'm still going to sell every one I can make (if my supply chain even allows me to do so).
07-06-2023, 03:37 PM
#2297
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This is purely speculation now on my part, but from my experience as a manufacturer, I'd try and eak out as much profitability as I can from the enormous development cost of a turbo 4 cylinder that I only made for a few years and wasn't well received by the public initially and has no future in my product portfolio. The expensive 6 cylinder I'd save only for a higher priced product like the GT3. I'd make sure all 4 cylinder production went to the new assembly plant and use the old plant only for the GT3s when assembling in the 4.0 engine. My desire to show profitability for the turbo 4 would far outweigh my desire to make more profit per car between a 718S vs GT4RS because I'd have to explain to my investors why I made the decision to go to a turbo 4 to begin with. If the cost to develop the turbo 4 was $20M and I only made 50,000 cars, I'd look like a much better product planner if I sold 100,000 cars during the life cycle of the motor. Whether I sell 5000 GT4Rs and 5000 GT3s, or just made 10,000 GT3s, I'm still going to sell every one I can make (if my supply chain even allows me to do so).
For the record the 4 cyl Turbo was very well received in Porsche’s largest market, Asia
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07-06-2023, 04:06 PM
#2298
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Gotta remember supply chain limitations, lately. Can't build 20k 4-cyl if you can only get wiring harnesses for 5k (which might be used to build higher margin models...)
07-06-2023, 08:08 PM
#2299
I'll chime in with what I have heard, from within the Motor Group the wife and I work for. It is a combination of things being said. Allocation was expected to drop June/July, for a fall build and spring delivery. We have not heard production is ending, but that doesn't mean it isn't.
07-06-2023, 11:52 PM
#2301
I'll chime in with what I have heard, from within the Motor Group the wife and I work for. It is a combination of things being said. Allocation was expected to drop June/July, for a fall build and spring delivery. We have not heard production is ending, but that doesn't mean it isn't.
https://techcrunch.com/2023/06/29/ho...ury-and-speed/
It's also inevitable with this strategy they are pursuing, Porsches will continue to increase in price over the years (e.g. the global level price increases we experienced mid year).
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07-07-2023, 01:00 AM
#2302
They are going to make more cars people. Every single limited production car (not numbered) someone posts that the production is ending because their dealer told them. Then they continue to pump them out for several more months. How many times did we here that the 992 GT3 production ended...only for them to add another MY.
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07-07-2023, 04:41 AM
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Hey guys 
Was reading through the last posts on here, and really interesting to see the different opinions on how long production will run for the GT4 RS.
All the ADM talk is really interesting, as we do not have that like that in Germany (at least not as openly). My GT4 RS with almost full spec (except magnesium wheels) in GT Silber will arrive at the end of the month at my local dealership.
I am paying no ADM for that one, but of course they considered my spent history and that I have been asking for a RS car for a while now.
For me this will be a collectible for sure...
Was reading through the last posts on here, and really interesting to see the different opinions on how long production will run for the GT4 RS.
All the ADM talk is really interesting, as we do not have that like that in Germany (at least not as openly). My GT4 RS with almost full spec (except magnesium wheels) in GT Silber will arrive at the end of the month at my local dealership.
I am paying no ADM for that one, but of course they considered my spent history and that I have been asking for a RS car for a while now.
For me this will be a collectible for sure...
07-07-2023, 09:04 AM
#2304
The gt3 and turbo s are a different animal. They are producing more because the gt3rs wing supply chain isn’t meeting demand and so they are moving rs build slots to gt3/turbo s to retain ASP.
My estimate is there are about 35-40k 718 units that will be produced between now and July 2025. Some portion will be electric. I would guess about 30k ice. Some will be 4 bangers for China, some will be gts, some will be 4rs/srs and some will be the R or whatever. If 1/3 were the big boys, that’s 10k units over 2 years?
Given the corporate objective of selling more units with 200k+ asp it’s safe to say they won’t be rare…
My estimate is there are about 35-40k 718 units that will be produced between now and July 2025. Some portion will be electric. I would guess about 30k ice. Some will be 4 bangers for China, some will be gts, some will be 4rs/srs and some will be the R or whatever. If 1/3 were the big boys, that’s 10k units over 2 years?
Given the corporate objective of selling more units with 200k+ asp it’s safe to say they won’t be rare…
07-31-2023, 08:57 AM
#2306
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My dealer has a couple of buildable 4rs with ADM, if anyone is interested. I can give you my SA's name, if you PM me. Need to be in state, I believe.
07-31-2023, 09:51 AM
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07-31-2023, 11:38 AM
#2308
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07-31-2023, 11:39 AM
#2309
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I feel awkward speaking for the dealer
$50k is the amount I heard
$50k is the amount I heard
07-31-2023, 12:30 PM
#2310
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You aren't really speaking for them, it gives people a good idea of how much the ADM is. Your time will be wasted and so will others thinking the dealer is saying some small ADM which you don't want either(plus bunch of lowballers messaging your SA saying you sent them isn't good either).