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Old 06-07-2023, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Justaroofer
That's fair.

Yet it's still commanded a premium over sticker since 2018-2019 yes?

I mean the chromaflair Python painted 2RS that sold on Pcar market sold for almost $600k was still just a 2rs with a 6 figure paint job was it not?
The GT2 RS s a really special and rare car. Truly a collector's car. Probably the only Porsche I wish I had bought at an ADM of say $50k. But because of the investment angle, I wouldn't have driven the car much, so I wouldn't really have been able to enjoy it.

This is why I prefer to buy the non-rare cars at MSRP or lower and rack up miles on them.

Our Cayman R has almost 50k miles on it and unexpectedly became a collector's car, so while I do still take it for drives, I do hesitate a bit to put more miles on it because of the collectible aspect.

I think the GT4 RS will likely become a collectible. But not the 992.1 GT3/RS, since they'll be superceded by the 992.2 cars and probably something after that.
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Old 06-07-2023, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Manifold
The GT2 RS s a really special and rare car. Truly a collector's car. Probably the only Porsche I wish I had bought at an ADM of say $50k. But because of the investment angle, I wouldn't have driven the car much, so I wouldn't really have been able to enjoy it.

This is why I prefer to buy the non-rare cars at MSRP or lower and rack up miles on them.

Our Cayman R has almost 50k miles on it and unexpectedly became a collector's car, so while I do still take it for drives, I do hesitate a bit to put more miles on it because of the collectible aspect.

I think the GT4 RS will likely become a collectible. But not the 992.1 GT3/RS, since they'll be superceded by the 992.2 cars and probably something after that.
I wouldnt consider the 2rs rare by any means.

Ask yourself this....

Why would there be a .2 variant? From an R&D investment side they have 0 reason to due such when there so much vested into the current 3rs and all 911 sales as a whole filled for atleast the next 2 years.
Old 06-07-2023, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Justaroofer
I wouldnt consider the 2rs rare by any means.

Ask yourself this....

Why would there be a .2 variant? From an R&D investment side they have 0 reason to due such when there so much vested into the current 3rs and all 911 sales as a whole filled for atleast the next 2 years.
There was an article in Car magazine about the future of the 911. Porsche is ramping up their 911 production capacity, and all indications are that there will 992.2 for the GT3/RS. JB already said so for the RS.
Old 06-07-2023, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim Vinci
I don't understand the fixation on ADM.
A. Porsche sets cost to dealer at 175K and MSRP at 200K, Dealer gets ADM of 50K Buyer pays 225K. Dealer makes 75k.
B. Porsche sets cost to dealer at 175K and MSRP at 225K Dealer sells at MSRP. Buyer pays 225K. Dealer makes 75k.
C. Porsche sets cost to dealer at 175K and MSRP at 240K Dealer sells 15 below MSRP. Buyer pays 225K. Dealer makes 75k

All that matters is: Is the car worth 225k to the buyer or not.
Your math is off here. In A, dealer makes 75 and buyer pays 250k, not 225k. In B &C dealer makes 50.
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Old 06-07-2023, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Manifold
There was an article in Car magazine about the future of the 911. Porsche is ramping up their 911 production capacity, and all indications are that there will 992.2 for the GT3/RS. JB already said so for the RS.
True....Most of the time they will do an .2 model....it's basically the same platform with upgrades so minimal R&D. The GT2RS didn't had a .1 and .2 version, only during the end of .2 production.
On the GT4RS case.....this is basically a .2 and probably end of the line for this model, at least in pure N/A form.
Old 06-07-2023, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Justaroofer
I can't even take some of these recent posts seriously.

The fact we're now saying a PTS car doesn't matter on resale, or attempting to dictate ADM to a dealer who frankly doesn't need to sell the care to a "Karen" on the show room floor.

Maybe it's just time for those that can't pay to play just click the Unsubscribe button on this thread.

I mean after..... the markup that was on the GT2RS is/ was/ and forever will remain unreasonable since the 3RS basically beats its ring time and destroys its looks.

Bunch of clowns in here.
You are paying 13k plus tax, plus extra charge to your registration every year being a higher sticker, and possibly higher insurance if they're pulling vin/msrp info. Then add in the opportunity cost of that cash money and possibly the interest rate you are paying on it if you got it financed....it is not a good financial decision.

If you are strictly speaking monetarily....pts is not a good financial decision. It is crazy to even suggest paying that much extra for a color is a smart financial decision, add on the fact not everyone gets pts now (pts was the most picked color on the 18 GT3)....and it is just another GT3 now...

Sorry...just facts there. Feel free to enlighten me, it sounds like you got a pts
Old 06-07-2023, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Manifold
The GT2 RS s a really special and rare car. Truly a collector's car. Probably the only Porsche I wish I had bought at an ADM of say $50k. But because of the investment angle, I wouldn't have driven the car much, so I wouldn't really have been able to enjoy it.

This is why I prefer to buy the non-rare cars at MSRP or lower and rack up miles on them.

Our Cayman R has almost 50k miles on it and unexpectedly became a collector's car, so while I do still take it for drives, I do hesitate a bit to put more miles on it because of the collectible aspect.

I think the GT4 RS will likely become a collectible. But not the 992.1 GT3/RS, since they'll be superceded by the 992.2 cars and probably something after that.
None of these are investments
Old 06-07-2023, 03:37 PM
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Thanks I did mean to make them all the same. So ADM in first case is 25 and in every case dealer makes 50k. But I think you understood my point
Old 06-07-2023, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by welikethetrack
None of these are investments
What do you call buying a PTS 7.2 RS for 192k and selling it 3 years later for 329k? Just curious..
Old 06-07-2023, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Adair
What do you call buying a PTS 7.2 RS for 192k and selling it 3 years later for 329k? Just curious..
I have a scuderia I bought for a little less than that and could sell it for almost 300....

no, it is not an investment.
Old 06-07-2023, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by welikethetrack
None of these are investments
Some of them can work as investments, and the return on the investment isn't just the money you might make, but also the intangible pleasure of owning the car, even if you don't drive it much.

About a decade ago, I had a chance to buy a low miles 997.2 GT3 RS for around $105k and a 997 GT2 for around $130k. I passed because I didn't have a crystal ball.
Old 06-07-2023, 04:44 PM
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Here is a good relevant transparent example for you pts people:

exhibit A: 2018 NOT a pts, 16,000 mile pdk lwbs PCCB gt3 and tracked heavily: https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...he-911-gt3-62/
sells for about 2k over sticker

exhibit B: 2019 PTS 1,600 mile pdk lwbs PCCB Gt3 never tracked: https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...he-911-gt3-23/
sells for about 18k over sticker...

PTS is not worth more than you paid Porsche, sorry. But, I would have purchased the pts in this case myself as to get a model year newer, 1/10th the miles, an epic color and never tracked and abused (I track and abuse, it takes a toll on your car) for only 20k more is a good value imo

Also, signal yellow is literally my favorite pts color coincidentally (and I am sure many others) and it didn't even do very well relatively speaking here.
Old 06-07-2023, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Justaroofer
I can't even take some of these recent posts seriously.

The fact we're now saying a PTS car doesn't matter on resale, or attempting to dictate ADM to a dealer who frankly doesn't need to sell the care to a "Karen" on the show room floor.

Maybe it's just time for those that can't pay to play just click the Unsubscribe button on this thread.

I mean after..... the markup that was on the GT2RS is/ was/ and forever will remain unreasonable since the 3RS basically beats its ring time and destroys its looks.

Bunch of clowns in here.
Where is anyone dictating the price to the dealer? Dealers dictate the price, customer has every right to negotiate... but hey if you're happy to grab your ankles and cop it sweet, go for it.
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Old 06-07-2023, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by TXshaggy
Yeah sure, people been saying that about the 992 GT3 since release.

How long ago was that?

What ADM is typical today?

Lower yes…marginally.
My response was to the other poster mentioning multiple friends purchasing cars off dealer lots right now instead of finding an allocation at a lower ADM. That's a current fact. Not sure what you're getting at
Old 06-07-2023, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by welikethetrack
be happy to give these trolls a call for you 5 mins before you call and raise hell for them dare asking for big gt4Rs allocation ADM so they are spooked when you call I’ll specifically ask for your troll sales guy. We got to work together around here more guys come on lol
So the RL Troll is gonna call a troll.
Brilliant.



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