The 718 Spyder RS Discussion Thread
08-26-2023, 03:23 PM
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Had a chance to drive my friend's 4RS again today. I think the ride quality is fine on the road, I have no issues with it. Feels a bit softer than the 991.2 3RS. For the road, I think the SRS suspension will be even better, not too hard and not too soft.
I still feel like the 4RS doesn't feel all that fast, seems like it's missing some torque. Of course it's stronger at higher revs, but even then it doesn't feel all that fast. Just doesn't feel like ~500 hp in a light car. This isn't to say that it feels slow, just not as fast as I'd expect. So I expect that the SRS will be similar in this regard.
The handling of the 4RS is quite good, as one would expect. But for road use, it doesn't feel a quantum level different from other mid-engine Porsches.
The sound of the 4RS is really the main thing. At lower revs just cruising along, the car is pretty quiet. At high revs, the car is unavoidably LOUD, and on the way up the rev range it makes all sorts of air noises. I do hear some drone around 2k rpm, but it's not a big problem. Overall, if you like a car with fairly extreme race car sounds, the 4RS is a good choice. I guess the same will apply to the SRS.
One thing I concluded is that the 4RS is not a Porsche alternative to my McLaren 570, and I expect that the SRS won't be either. The personalities of the cars are quite different, and the McLaren is also much faster.
Overall, the 4RS is really nice car, and I expect that the SRS will be also. But I'm not sure that either car is a good choice for me, because neither of them really fills a gap in my collection which I want to fill. If I really want an open top mid-engine Porsche, a manual Spyder or Boxster may be the better way to go.
I still feel like the 4RS doesn't feel all that fast, seems like it's missing some torque. Of course it's stronger at higher revs, but even then it doesn't feel all that fast. Just doesn't feel like ~500 hp in a light car. This isn't to say that it feels slow, just not as fast as I'd expect. So I expect that the SRS will be similar in this regard.
The handling of the 4RS is quite good, as one would expect. But for road use, it doesn't feel a quantum level different from other mid-engine Porsches.
The sound of the 4RS is really the main thing. At lower revs just cruising along, the car is pretty quiet. At high revs, the car is unavoidably LOUD, and on the way up the rev range it makes all sorts of air noises. I do hear some drone around 2k rpm, but it's not a big problem. Overall, if you like a car with fairly extreme race car sounds, the 4RS is a good choice. I guess the same will apply to the SRS.
One thing I concluded is that the 4RS is not a Porsche alternative to my McLaren 570, and I expect that the SRS won't be either. The personalities of the cars are quite different, and the McLaren is also much faster.
Overall, the 4RS is really nice car, and I expect that the SRS will be also. But I'm not sure that either car is a good choice for me, because neither of them really fills a gap in my collection which I want to fill. If I really want an open top mid-engine Porsche, a manual Spyder or Boxster may be the better way to go.
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08-26-2023, 04:30 PM
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Had a chance to drive my friend's 4RS again today. I think the ride quality is fine on the road, I have no issues with it. Feels a bit softer than the 991.2 3RS. For the road, I think the SRS suspension will be even better, not too hard and not too soft.
I still feel like the 4RS doesn't feel all that fast, seems like it's missing some torque. Of course it's stronger at higher revs, but even then it doesn't feel all that fast. Just doesn't feel like ~500 hp in a light car. This isn't to say that it feels slow, just not as fast as I'd expect. So I expect that the SRS will be similar in this regard.
The handling of the 4RS is quite good, as one would expect. But for road use, it doesn't feel a quantum level different from other mid-engine Porsches.
The sound of the 4RS is really the main thing. At lower revs just cruising along, the car is pretty quiet. At high revs, the car is unavoidably LOUD, and on the way up the rev range it makes all sorts of air noises. I do hear some drone around 2k rpm, but it's not a big problem. Overall, if you like a car with fairly extreme race car sounds, the 4RS is a good choice. I guess the same will apply to the SRS.
One thing I concluded is that the 4RS is not a Porsche alternative to my McLaren 570, and I expect that the SRS won't be either. The personalities of the cars are quite different, and the McLaren is also much faster.
Overall, the 4RS is really nice car, and I expect that the SRS will be also. But I'm not sure that either car is a good choice for me, because neither of them really fills a gap in my collection which I want to fill. If I really want an open top mid-engine Porsche, a manual Spyder or Boxster may be the better way to go.
I still feel like the 4RS doesn't feel all that fast, seems like it's missing some torque. Of course it's stronger at higher revs, but even then it doesn't feel all that fast. Just doesn't feel like ~500 hp in a light car. This isn't to say that it feels slow, just not as fast as I'd expect. So I expect that the SRS will be similar in this regard.
The handling of the 4RS is quite good, as one would expect. But for road use, it doesn't feel a quantum level different from other mid-engine Porsches.
The sound of the 4RS is really the main thing. At lower revs just cruising along, the car is pretty quiet. At high revs, the car is unavoidably LOUD, and on the way up the rev range it makes all sorts of air noises. I do hear some drone around 2k rpm, but it's not a big problem. Overall, if you like a car with fairly extreme race car sounds, the 4RS is a good choice. I guess the same will apply to the SRS.
One thing I concluded is that the 4RS is not a Porsche alternative to my McLaren 570, and I expect that the SRS won't be either. The personalities of the cars are quite different, and the McLaren is also much faster.
Overall, the 4RS is really nice car, and I expect that the SRS will be also. But I'm not sure that either car is a good choice for me, because neither of them really fills a gap in my collection which I want to fill. If I really want an open top mid-engine Porsche, a manual Spyder or Boxster may be the better way to go.
08-26-2023, 04:56 PM
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Had a chance to drive my friend's 4RS again today. I think the ride quality is fine on the road, I have no issues with it. Feels a bit softer than the 991.2 3RS. For the road, I think the SRS suspension will be even better, not too hard and not too soft.
I still feel like the 4RS doesn't feel all that fast, seems like it's missing some torque. Of course it's stronger at higher revs, but even then it doesn't feel all that fast. Just doesn't feel like ~500 hp in a light car. This isn't to say that it feels slow, just not as fast as I'd expect. So I expect that the SRS will be similar in this regard.
The handling of the 4RS is quite good, as one would expect. But for road use, it doesn't feel a quantum level different from other mid-engine Porsches.
The sound of the 4RS is really the main thing. At lower revs just cruising along, the car is pretty quiet. At high revs, the car is unavoidably LOUD, and on the way up the rev range it makes all sorts of air noises. I do hear some drone around 2k rpm, but it's not a big problem. Overall, if you like a car with fairly extreme race car sounds, the 4RS is a good choice. I guess the same will apply to the SRS.
One thing I concluded is that the 4RS is not a Porsche alternative to my McLaren 570, and I expect that the SRS won't be either. The personalities of the cars are quite different, and the McLaren is also much faster.
Overall, the 4RS is really nice car, and I expect that the SRS will be also. But I'm not sure that either car is a good choice for me, because neither of them really fills a gap in my collection which I want to fill. If I really want an open top mid-engine Porsche, a manual Spyder or Boxster may be the better way to go.
I still feel like the 4RS doesn't feel all that fast, seems like it's missing some torque. Of course it's stronger at higher revs, but even then it doesn't feel all that fast. Just doesn't feel like ~500 hp in a light car. This isn't to say that it feels slow, just not as fast as I'd expect. So I expect that the SRS will be similar in this regard.
The handling of the 4RS is quite good, as one would expect. But for road use, it doesn't feel a quantum level different from other mid-engine Porsches.
The sound of the 4RS is really the main thing. At lower revs just cruising along, the car is pretty quiet. At high revs, the car is unavoidably LOUD, and on the way up the rev range it makes all sorts of air noises. I do hear some drone around 2k rpm, but it's not a big problem. Overall, if you like a car with fairly extreme race car sounds, the 4RS is a good choice. I guess the same will apply to the SRS.
One thing I concluded is that the 4RS is not a Porsche alternative to my McLaren 570, and I expect that the SRS won't be either. The personalities of the cars are quite different, and the McLaren is also much faster.
Overall, the 4RS is really nice car, and I expect that the SRS will be also. But I'm not sure that either car is a good choice for me, because neither of them really fills a gap in my collection which I want to fill. If I really want an open top mid-engine Porsche, a manual Spyder or Boxster may be the better way to go.
I really wonder about what comparative dyno results would show if tested the same day, same dyno between a GT4RS and a 991.2 or 992.1 GT3 or RS.
Last edited by Drifting; 08-26-2023 at 04:58 PM.
08-26-2023, 05:02 PM
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So....... are people saying the GT 4.0L is a better street engine?
08-26-2023, 06:39 PM
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At least easier to own outside of warranty, judging from the non-GT 4.0 Engine Failure thread.
Though must admit all those Emira review videos made me question my decision to give PDK a try for a backroads car (SRS). The manual is so much more fun.
Though must admit all those Emira review videos made me question my decision to give PDK a try for a backroads car (SRS). The manual is so much more fun.
Last edited by hf1; 08-26-2023 at 06:46 PM.
08-26-2023, 06:47 PM
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Uh what? The engine failure thread is exclusive to the GT4/GTS/Spyder 4.0L.
08-26-2023, 07:08 PM
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08-26-2023, 07:19 PM
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08-26-2023, 08:10 PM
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Would be good if 4RS owners could chime in and let us know if my early impressions might change if I drove the car more. To me, the real test of how 'good' a car is: do I still want to reach for the keys 6, 12, 18+ months after buying it?
Last edited by Manifold; 08-26-2023 at 08:13 PM.
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08-26-2023, 09:32 PM
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08-27-2023, 01:23 AM
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If you must buy in year 1 of SRS manufacturing, you're probably right at 100k in the DFW market. I think (I hope) that subsequent years may provide opportunities at 25K or below.
Time will tell.
(Unless you're a whale at Park Place Dallas, where they don't play with ADM's.)
Time will tell.
(Unless you're a whale at Park Place Dallas, where they don't play with ADM's.)
08-27-2023, 01:36 AM
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Just my opinion - there’s no way the SRS is worth a big ADM. MSRP will be plenty to pay for it.
I don’t see it becoming thought of as one of the all time great cars. I view it as being a Spyder with a little better handling, a little more power, and a unique soundtrack (different from any 911 GT car).
I don’t see it becoming thought of as one of the all time great cars. I view it as being a Spyder with a little better handling, a little more power, and a unique soundtrack (different from any 911 GT car).
08-27-2023, 01:47 AM
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If you must buy in year 1 of SRS manufacturing, you're probably right at 100k in the DFW market. I think (I hope) that subsequent years may provide opportunities at 25K or below.
Time will tell.
(Unless you're a whale at Park Place Dallas, where they don't play with ADM's.)
Time will tell.
(Unless you're a whale at Park Place Dallas, where they don't play with ADM's.)
08-27-2023, 02:05 AM
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Just my opinion - there’s no way the SRS is worth a big ADM. MSRP will be plenty to pay for it.
I don’t see it becoming thought of as one of the all time great cars. I view it as being a Spyder with a little better handling, a little more power, and a unique soundtrack (different from any 911 GT car).
I don’t see it becoming thought of as one of the all time great cars. I view it as being a Spyder with a little better handling, a little more power, and a unique soundtrack (different from any 911 GT car).
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08-27-2023, 09:40 AM
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