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Originally Posted by Underblu;17362009

Hey Underblu,

That "Avatar" below of your's is so KILLER :rockon:
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Awesome thread killer! I’m sure there’s a story in there somewhere...haha.
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Awesome thread killer! I’m sure there’s a story in there somewhere...haha.
Would you mind editing your Post and Removing that Mess for me, please ???

Honestly I don't know why that actually posted as I went in and did an edit as soon as I saw the Screwed-Up Mess !!!
It was suppose to be the following ................



I apologize guys,
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My father had a C5 that had to go back and be lemon lawed. Despite that I still came looking for a thread comparing the upcoming C8 Z06 to the 718 GT4 because they're both mid engined sports cars that will probably be around $120k. Pros and cons to each but it's hard not to at least be tempted by a high revving flat plane V8 with 600 hp compared with what's in the Porsche. Let's see if they can do some weight reduction as well because yes the new vette is a bit of a porker.

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I thought the C8 has terrible understeer mid corner when I drove it.. Driver skill will make up the 2-3 seconds...
I think the cars are very alignment sensitive and don't necessarily come with very aggressive set ups. I think I heard this can be dialed out on stock suspension to some extent.
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My 718 GT4 is the most fun sports car I have ever owned with only the 2005 S2000 coming close. That having been said, when I bought the car I intended to trade it on a 992 GT3 Touring MT if I could get an allocation. My SA recently told me I should have an allocation "later this year", whatever that means. Now the question becomes do I trade the GT4 on a GT3T or use approximately the same amount of cash to buy a C8 and keep the GT4? I recently drove a 991.1 GT3 and I must confess that outside of the amazing GT3 engine I couldn't see a huge upside to the GT3. (Putting on Nomex right now.) BTW, I do track days for fun, not for chasing the last 0.1 second and the GT4 is plenty fast. All of this assumes MSRP for both vehicles which may or may not reflect reality for either car right now. The good news is that the GT4 is so much fun that I may just drive the GT4 and keep my powder dry until the market for both the GT3 and C8 calms down....unless something REALLY trips my trigger.
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Hey Underblu,

That "Avatar" below of your's is so KILLER :rockon:
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Originally Posted by Dale Allen
My 718 GT4 is the most fun sports car I have ever owned with only the 2005 S2000 coming close. That having been said, when I bought the car I intended to trade it on a 992 GT3 Touring MT if I could get an allocation. My SA recently told me I should have an allocation "later this year", whatever that means. Now the question becomes do I trade the GT4 on a GT3T or use approximately the same amount of cash to buy a C8 and keep the GT4? I recently drove a 991.1 GT3 and I must confess that outside of the amazing GT3 engine I couldn't see a huge upside to the GT3. (Putting on Nomex right now.) BTW, I do track days for fun, not for chasing the last 0.1 second and the GT4 is plenty fast. All of this assumes MSRP for both vehicles which may or may not reflect reality for either car right now. The good news is that the GT4 is so much fun that I may just drive the GT4 and keep my powder dry until the market for both the GT3 and C8 calms down....unless something REALLY trips my trigger.
I waited to get a C8 allocation so I will only pay MSRP for my hard top convertible which should be ready in May. I decided to add it to my '21 CGTS rather than trading it in & buying a GT3T.
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Originally Posted by Dale Allen
Now the question becomes do I trade the GT4 on a GT3T or use approximately the same amount of cash to buy a C8 and keep the GT4? I recently drove a 991.1 GT3 and I must confess that outside of the amazing GT3 engine I couldn't see a huge upside to the GT3.
I haven't driven all these cars so may not be in the best place to answer (disclaimer over), but do you know if you like rear engined cars or not? Probably not what you want to hear but I might rather have the GT3 Touring and the C8 Z06 as a pairing, though it seems based on your post perhaps you don't want to spend that kind of money. I don't know what your budget is or your parking situation among many other factors here. If I were you and you have the means I'd be on a list for both the vette and the GT3 and see which one shows up first and how you like it while keeping the GT4 and seeing how they compare.
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I think Z06 is really attractive as a hardtop convertible. Top down plays to the supercar theatre.

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I don't know what your budget is or your parking situation among many other factors here. If I were you and you have the means I'd be on a list for both the vette and the GT3 and see which one shows up first and how you like it while keeping the GT4 and seeing how they compare.[/QUOTE]

Dear BOT, Budget isn't an issue, but parking is. I already have three cars and four motorcycles in a three car garage and my wife won't agree to park outside or allow the bikes in the Living Room. The bigger issue is deciding which vehicles are the most fun. I love motorcycles and motorcycling, but at 68 years of age I am limiting my exposure. The GT4 is the car closest to a motorcycle I have ever driven. It is better than even single seaters from Lucas Oil which are a blast, but a different type of blast. I have been known to switch out of something I really like for something I think I will like more and then getting disappointed. (Selling the S2000 to get a BOSS 302 Mustang for example.) I am signed up for the Ron Fellows C8 School, and I think I need to drive the 992 at the Porsche Experience to help me decide about the GT3T. The good news is that the GT4 continues to excite me so there is no rush for me to decide anything.
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Originally Posted by Dale Allen
I don't know what your budget is or your parking situation among many other factors here. If I were you and you have the means I'd be on a list for both the vette and the GT3 and see which one shows up first and how you like it while keeping the GT4 and seeing how they compare.
I already have three cars and four motorcycles in a three car garage and my wife won't agree to park outside or allow the bikes in the Living Room. [/QUOTE]

LOL...classic. Women just don't understand.
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Originally Posted by Driven991
I already have three cars and four motorcycles in a three car garage and my wife won't agree to park outside or allow the bikes in the Living Room.
LOL...classic. Women just don't understand.[/QUOTE]

I have to be honest. My wife is a trooper. She has ridden tens of thousands of miles through 16 countries on the back of my bikes. She lets me buy what I want and only occasionally rolls her eyes. She likes the GT4 and we are driving it from Cleveland to Albany and back this weekend. That is a test trip to see if we want to drive it to Pebble Beach in August and I am 99% sure we will. She says it is certainly more comfortable than a bike.
. BUT she still won't park outside or let the bikes live in the house.
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I suggested my wife trade her Tesla on a Z06. She can park it in the front garage next to the Spyder but she needs to drive it to work everyday. She’s thinking about it

It would be her daily driver and would live outside in her Pharmacy’s parking lot all day and both of us would be OK with that and there’s the rub, we would never consider doing that with any of the Porsche sports cars we’ve owned in the last 20 years. Don’t get me wrong, the Spyder will get used and be routinely driven in anger so it’s not a precious garage queen so I guess that describes how we feel about the Porsche vs. Corvette debate. While no one can deny the performance of the C8, it simply doesn’t elicit the same emotional response we experience with our Porsche’s.

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This post starts slightly off topic, but please bear with me.

Despite what some people seem to be implying on this thread, there are many other automobile makers besides Porsche that also produce impressive performance cars.

I’ve recently had the pleasure to track two non-Porsches, and I must say that I was very impressed by both cars.

The first car was a showroom stock 480hp 2020 Chevrolet Camaro SS 1LE. I lapped it for about an hour total at Sebring (base MSRP is around $45k). Yes, it was a slushbox automatic and the front brakes were somewhat lacking by the end of the day, but the naturally aspirated V8 engine was powerful and the suspension/handling was really responsive. It would only take a few thousand dollars to significantly upgrade the brakes, and you’d have a very impressive performance car for well under $50k. I could be very happy owning this car configured with a manual transmission and upgraded brakes… All for less than ½ of what my 718 Spyder cost!

The second car was a showroom stock 405hp 2020 BMW M2 Competition that I drove for 3 hours at the BMW performance center in Greer, SC. I spent 1 hour with it on a skid pad, 1 hour on a timed autocross course, and 1 hour on one of their road course configurations (base MSRP is around $60k). It had a DCT, and the car was really competent on the track (the brakes, transmission, engine, power delivery, suspension, everything). I would have gotten a manual transmission M2C instead of my M240i, but I just couldn’t bring myself to use an M2C as my winter car in Connecticut.

The overall point I'm trying to make is that although Porsches are great cars, I also recognize the merits of the cars I mentioned above, Mazda Miata race cars, and many other cars as well.

Since this thread is about the new midengined C8 Corvette, I look forward to driving/tracking that car someday soon too.

The bottom line is that people who tend to fixate on particular brands routinely miss out on driving/owning the many other great performance cars being produced for enthusiasts to experience and enjoy.

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Originally Posted by Hematose
So for starters, I just got a 6MT Spyder allocation for delivery this summer and I'm stoked. I can't tell for sure, but I think I was pretty lucky to get it, having been into a Porsche dealer for the very first time.

I was just reading about the new Z06. 600+ HP, flat plane crank V8 with a 9krpm redline, and a dealer network that won't have me driving 3 hours to get an oil change seem appealing. The price is expected to be competitive with the GT4. I don't think I'm going to change my order though. I think the C8 is a little overdesigned (never liked the big hard lines of GM/Cadillac) and will be tired looking soon. That being said, would any of you get a new Z06 over a GT4 or a Spyder? Would you cross shop them? Why/why not?
I was at See's Candy Store here in Riverside and a Black C8 was parked in the small lot. You would have thought they rode in on a Pegasus the way people were talking. Personally, yes, if you can get a c8 at msrp, then it's an interesting prospect but it seems getting a c8 at msrp is difficult as getting a pegasus lol. Personally, I like the C8 and I love the Spyder.
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I guess it depends on where you are in your automotive journey. Over the course of mine I’ve had the opportunity to drive many fine high performance cars, some I owned, some I didn’t but I always welcomed the opportunity.

My journey began over 50 years ago when my father would put me on his lap and let me steer which turned into driving when I was 12 on my grandparents farm. My first Porsche was a well used 914 2.0 then I was in college that I stripped down, applied a Chiron body kit, built the motor and dialed in the suspension, it was a blast to drive and turned a few heads.

Over the years I’ve owned a number of high performance cars including Porsches, Corvettes, BMW’s, Fords, etc. and I realized about 20 years ago that of all of them the Porsches were the ones I remembered the most, I always seemed to come back after detours chasing those elusive magazine numbers.

My point with this diatribe is I realized at that point that I was chasing something I originally discovered back in ‘78, that lowly 914 and the driving dynamics that were part of its DNA.

Having a brand preference doesn’t always indicate a closed mind, it could be the result of decades of automotive experience and a shift in priorities. Now, if I could just figure out a way to swing a 992 GT3T............


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