Dealer Invoice Pricing For Boxster Spyder and dealing below MSRP
10-19-2020, 04:30 AM
#136
I don't understand your logic. What does having an expectation of quality over cheap plastic have to do with choosing a dime a dozen Boxster over a Spyder? Or having leather where I want leather have to do with opting for a 718 over a Spyder? For tens of thousands more one would expect better materials in the Spyder. I guess you are okay with cheap materials? Going from Ferrari and Aston Martin to a Spyder priced out at north of $120k I expect more than cheap plastic and ***** fabric door handles....in a car weighing well over 3000 pounds with just 414 hp.
As another aside, I was in the Lexus LC500 Convertible a few weeks ago. Cost less than the Spyder and yet material quality and fit and finish were light years ahead of the Spyder. Well equipped Spyders are around $120k and at that price point Buyers are expecting better materials....which perhaps explains why the dealer I know still....month after month, has 3 Spyders and 4 Caymen.
This thread has made me realize that, were it not for the manual gearbox issue, I think hands down I'd be exploring the new Z06 Convertible with its Ferrari like 600 hp normally aspirated flat plane crank as it will be the same money as Spyder.
As another aside, I was in the Lexus LC500 Convertible a few weeks ago. Cost less than the Spyder and yet material quality and fit and finish were light years ahead of the Spyder. Well equipped Spyders are around $120k and at that price point Buyers are expecting better materials....which perhaps explains why the dealer I know still....month after month, has 3 Spyders and 4 Caymen.
This thread has made me realize that, were it not for the manual gearbox issue, I think hands down I'd be exploring the new Z06 Convertible with its Ferrari like 600 hp normally aspirated flat plane crank as it will be the same money as Spyder.
You kept mentioning you have had Ferrari and in the Ferrari world this and that. I don't think you really are a Ferrari guy reading your comments of arguing for better materials for paying so little to begin with. I am sure you have specced out your Ferrari before. I just got my commission number on the spyder with PDK option. I personally find the price well worth the increase. I have no problem whatsoever with the plastic front lip and the door handle. It was like that with GT3 and GT4 with the lip.
Money is all relative. A dollar is not a same dollar to everyone. But when you say when you pay over 100k, and as a Ferrari guy you expect better than a plastic front lip, I say you reminded me an infamous troll in Fchat named noone1 who was permanently banned from the forum.
Noone1 is very infamous for not having any true exotic car and kept telling people what he judged of certain car without having any time behind the wheel and then he starts arguing with everyone.
Last edited by ilovegt; 10-19-2020 at 04:39 AM.
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twospyders (10-25-2020)
10-20-2020, 08:13 PM
#137
10-20-2020, 08:39 PM
#138
You kept mentioning you have had Ferrari and in the Ferrari world this and that. I don't think you really are a Ferrari guy reading your comments of arguing for better materials for paying so little to begin with. I am sure you have specced out your Ferrari before. I just got my commission number on the spyder with PDK option. I personally find the price well worth the increase. I have no problem whatsoever with the plastic front lip and the door handle. It was like that with GT3 and GT4 with the lip.
Money is all relative. A dollar is not a same dollar to everyone. But when you say when you pay over 100k, and as a Ferrari guy you expect better than a plastic front lip, I say you reminded me an infamous troll in Fchat named noone1 who was permanently banned from the forum.
Noone1 is very infamous for not having any true exotic car and kept telling people what he judged of certain car without having any time behind the wheel and then he starts arguing with everyone.
Money is all relative. A dollar is not a same dollar to everyone. But when you say when you pay over 100k, and as a Ferrari guy you expect better than a plastic front lip, I say you reminded me an infamous troll in Fchat named noone1 who was permanently banned from the forum.
Noone1 is very infamous for not having any true exotic car and kept telling people what he judged of certain car without having any time behind the wheel and then he starts arguing with everyone.
You can think what you want and you entitled to your opinion, regardless of how incorrect it may be. Over the years my daily drivers have included a Ferrari 330GT, 512BBi, 512TR, 550 Maranello and newer Ferraris as well as vintage Lamborghini (e.g., Islero S, Jalpa and Countach) and Maserati (e.g., Ghibli Spyder, 3500 GT).
It's unfortunate that there are those with negative opinions where such opinions add nothing to the conversation....which in this instance, was nothing more than my goal of learning the dealer invoice price for a 718 Spyder.
As for comparing cars, I guess I'm the only one drawing such comparisons as the Corvette has finally lept forward with its mid-engine design and dramatically more upscale interior: https://www.motortrend.com/cars/chev...n-test-review/
IMO, anyone not intrigued by a 600 plus horsepower, normally aspirated, flat plane crank V8 Z06 with a price comparable to or less than a top of the line Cayman is less than a true gearhead.
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10-20-2020, 08:52 PM
#139
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^Holy $hit, that sounded amazing!
10-20-2020, 09:05 PM
#140
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You can think what you want and you entitled to your opinion, regardless of how incorrect it may be. Over the years my daily drivers have included a Ferrari 330GT, 512BBi, 512TR, 550 Maranello and newer Ferraris as well as vintage Lamborghini (e.g., Islero S, Jalpa and Countach) and Maserati (e.g., Ghibli Spyder, 3500 GT).
It's unfortunate that there are those with negative opinions where such opinions add nothing to the conversation....which in this instance, was nothing more than my goal of learning the dealer invoice price for a 718 Spyder.
As for comparing cars, I guess I'm the only one drawing such comparisons as the Corvette has finally lept forward with its mid-engine design and dramatically more upscale interior: https://www.motortrend.com/cars/chev...n-test-review/
IMO, anyone not intrigued by a 600 plus horsepower, normally aspirated, flat plane crank V8 Z06 with a price comparable to or less than a top of the line Cayman is less than a true gearhead. https://youtu.be/CMerEZYwMnQ
It's unfortunate that there are those with negative opinions where such opinions add nothing to the conversation....which in this instance, was nothing more than my goal of learning the dealer invoice price for a 718 Spyder.
As for comparing cars, I guess I'm the only one drawing such comparisons as the Corvette has finally lept forward with its mid-engine design and dramatically more upscale interior: https://www.motortrend.com/cars/chev...n-test-review/
IMO, anyone not intrigued by a 600 plus horsepower, normally aspirated, flat plane crank V8 Z06 with a price comparable to or less than a top of the line Cayman is less than a true gearhead. https://youtu.be/CMerEZYwMnQ
You probably want to do some research on Chevy’s last great NA performance motor, the LS7, and see the debris still occurring today.
OBTW, traded my C7 Z07 650 HP M7 for a Spyder. Been driving new Chevy Z06s since 2004. My Gen 1 Spyder was more engaging.
You ever own a Vette? I could have gotten 2 base C8s for my Spyder...that ought to tell you something.
Doesn’t sound like you know what you want. HP and numbness...head on over to Corvette.
10-20-2020, 09:34 PM
#141
I don’t know what conclusions we can draw from hear Chevy’s race team motor...sounds great but imagine so does the Porsche RSR.
You probably want to do some research on Chevy’s last great NA performance motor, the LS7, and see the debris still occurring today.
OBTW, traded my C7 Z07 650 HP M7 for a Spyder. Been driving new Chevy Z06s since 2004. My Gen 1 Spyder was more engaging.
You ever own a Vette? I could have gotten 2 base C8s for my Spyder...that ought to tell you something.
Doesn’t sound like you know what you want. HP and numbness...head on over to Corvette.
You probably want to do some research on Chevy’s last great NA performance motor, the LS7, and see the debris still occurring today.
OBTW, traded my C7 Z07 650 HP M7 for a Spyder. Been driving new Chevy Z06s since 2004. My Gen 1 Spyder was more engaging.
You ever own a Vette? I could have gotten 2 base C8s for my Spyder...that ought to tell you something.
Doesn’t sound like you know what you want. HP and numbness...head on over to Corvette.
10-20-2020, 10:48 PM
#142
I don’t know what conclusions we can draw from hear Chevy’s race team motor...sounds great but imagine so does the Porsche RSR.
You probably want to do some research on Chevy’s last great NA performance motor, the LS7, and see the debris still occurring today.
OBTW, traded my C7 Z07 650 HP M7 for a Spyder. Been driving new Chevy Z06s since 2004. My Gen 1 Spyder was more engaging.
You ever own a Vette? I could have gotten 2 base C8s for my Spyder...that ought to tell you something.
Doesn’t sound like you know what you want. HP and numbness...head on over to Corvette.
You probably want to do some research on Chevy’s last great NA performance motor, the LS7, and see the debris still occurring today.
OBTW, traded my C7 Z07 650 HP M7 for a Spyder. Been driving new Chevy Z06s since 2004. My Gen 1 Spyder was more engaging.
You ever own a Vette? I could have gotten 2 base C8s for my Spyder...that ought to tell you something.
Doesn’t sound like you know what you want. HP and numbness...head on over to Corvette.
I was one of the LS7 issue guys. I had a 09' Z06 where the exhaust value and heads issue took out my motor with 11K miles on the clock.
I am sure they eventually fixed that issue though, since they kept using it in the Gen 5 Z/28 Camaro.
I will say in Corvette's defense though this time around with the upcoming C8 Z06 with the 5.5 flat plank crank motor, they are starting with a race proven motor from the C8R, so I am sure they will have it figured out this time around. I do not believe the LS7 was used in any race applications prior to showing up in the C6 Z06.
10-20-2020, 10:57 PM
#143
You can think what you want and you entitled to your opinion, regardless of how incorrect it may be. Over the years my daily drivers have included a Ferrari 330GT, 512BBi, 512TR, 550 Maranello and newer Ferraris as well as vintage Lamborghini (e.g., Islero S, Jalpa and Countach) and Maserati (e.g., Ghibli Spyder, 3500 GT).
It's unfortunate that there are those with negative opinions where such opinions add nothing to the conversation....which in this instance, was nothing more than my goal of learning the dealer invoice price for a 718 Spyder.
As for comparing cars, I guess I'm the only one drawing such comparisons as the Corvette has finally lept forward with its mid-engine design and dramatically more upscale interior: https://www.motortrend.com/cars/chev...n-test-review/
IMO, anyone not intrigued by a 600 plus horsepower, normally aspirated, flat plane crank V8 Z06 with a price comparable to or less than a top of the line Cayman is less than a true gearhead. https://youtu.be/CMerEZYwMnQ
It's unfortunate that there are those with negative opinions where such opinions add nothing to the conversation....which in this instance, was nothing more than my goal of learning the dealer invoice price for a 718 Spyder.
As for comparing cars, I guess I'm the only one drawing such comparisons as the Corvette has finally lept forward with its mid-engine design and dramatically more upscale interior: https://www.motortrend.com/cars/chev...n-test-review/
IMO, anyone not intrigued by a 600 plus horsepower, normally aspirated, flat plane crank V8 Z06 with a price comparable to or less than a top of the line Cayman is less than a true gearhead. https://youtu.be/CMerEZYwMnQ
This actually has nothing to do with being a Ferrari guy or Lambo guy, this is about you being a troll and you just want to feel good about yourself by putting those down who don't have expensive exotic cars. Come on, man.
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n4v4nod (10-21-2020)
10-20-2020, 11:43 PM
#144
My understanding is that Porsche dealers make 10% margins on the cars and 15% on the options if sold at MSRP.
10-21-2020, 01:15 AM
#145
So you brag about how you've owned/own a laundry list of super expensive Italian cars, yet whether you get what is possibly the best driver's car on the planet or not is dependent upon whether you get $5k off sticker and/or whether the front splitter material is acceptable to you? That's the very definition of tard IMO.
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ilovegt (10-21-2020)
10-21-2020, 03:04 AM
#146
So you brag about how you've owned/own a laundry list of super expensive Italian cars, yet whether you get what is possibly the best driver's car on the planet or not is dependent upon whether you get $5k off sticker and/or whether the front splitter material is acceptable to you? That's the very definition of tard IMO.
He will have more credence as a petrol head to compare the loss of sound and gain of performance between 981 and 718, or the the effect of electric steering on driving characteristics in lieu of hydraulic. Expecting a carbon fiber front lip in a 100k track car because of Ferrari experiences in the 80-90s is so unrealistic and then using it to put others down passively is simply obnoxious.
Currently I have a 458, FF, Lotus Evora 400 and Alfa 4c spider at home, and I feel so happy that I got a 718 spyder with pdk option coming in Jan. Thank you, Porsche, for giving me the plastic front lip and pdk together in such awesome true GT sports car!
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10-22-2020, 12:10 AM
#147
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+1000. exactly my point. I think his prime time of cars collection is already gone and now simply use them as a bragging right today. A true pedrol head tend to look at the car's merit objectively by the performance number and subjectively by the emotion the car yields, regardless of the brand or price point. Each car has its own pros and cons, much like our literally endless argument of 458 vs 488 in Fchat (yes, this argument continues to go on and on) I was simply esctatic to learn that the GT3 front lip was made of plastic because it was so expensive to replace them in other cars. Same as GT4.
He will have more credence as a petrol head to compare the loss of sound and gain of performance between 981 and 718, or the the effect of electric steering on driving characteristics in lieu of hydraulic. Expecting a carbon fiber front lip in a 100k track car because of Ferrari experiences in the 80-90s is so unrealistic and then using it to put others down passively is simply obnoxious.
Currently I have a 458, FF, Lotus Evora 400 and Alfa 4c spider at home, and I feel so happy that I got a 718 spyder with pdk option coming in Jan. Thank you, Porsche, for giving me the plastic front lip and pdk together in such awesome true GT sports car!
He will have more credence as a petrol head to compare the loss of sound and gain of performance between 981 and 718, or the the effect of electric steering on driving characteristics in lieu of hydraulic. Expecting a carbon fiber front lip in a 100k track car because of Ferrari experiences in the 80-90s is so unrealistic and then using it to put others down passively is simply obnoxious.
Currently I have a 458, FF, Lotus Evora 400 and Alfa 4c spider at home, and I feel so happy that I got a 718 spyder with pdk option coming in Jan. Thank you, Porsche, for giving me the plastic front lip and pdk together in such awesome true GT sports car!
That's an incredible collection-- congrats! How does the Lotus handle open roads with less than perfect surfaces (in terms of ride quality)?
10-22-2020, 12:48 AM
#148
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10-28-2020, 10:00 PM
#149
+1000. exactly my point. I think his prime time of cars collection is already gone and now simply use them as a bragging right today. A true pedrol head tend to look at the car's merit objectively by the performance number and subjectively by the emotion the car yields, regardless of the brand or price point. Each car has its own pros and cons, much like our literally endless argument of 458 vs 488 in Fchat (yes, this argument continues to go on and on) I was simply esctatic to learn that the GT3 front lip was made of plastic because it was so expensive to replace them in other cars. Same as GT4.
He will have more credence as a petrol head to compare the loss of sound and gain of performance between 981 and 718, or the the effect of electric steering on driving characteristics in lieu of hydraulic. Expecting a carbon fiber front lip in a 100k track car because of Ferrari experiences in the 80-90s is so unrealistic and then using it to put others down passively is simply obnoxious.
Currently I have a 458, FF, Lotus Evora 400 and Alfa 4c spider at home, and I feel so happy that I got a 718 spyder with pdk option coming in Jan. Thank you, Porsche, for giving me the plastic front lip and pdk together in such awesome true GT sports car!
He will have more credence as a petrol head to compare the loss of sound and gain of performance between 981 and 718, or the the effect of electric steering on driving characteristics in lieu of hydraulic. Expecting a carbon fiber front lip in a 100k track car because of Ferrari experiences in the 80-90s is so unrealistic and then using it to put others down passively is simply obnoxious.
Currently I have a 458, FF, Lotus Evora 400 and Alfa 4c spider at home, and I feel so happy that I got a 718 spyder with pdk option coming in Jan. Thank you, Porsche, for giving me the plastic front lip and pdk together in such awesome true GT sports car!
10-28-2020, 10:10 PM
#150
Not sure why I am bothering to respond to insults, but reality is if a person already owns a diverse array of cars, some of which (IMO) are the best in their class and among the best historically, I don't have a pressing need for a car like the Spyder so if the price is right, great. If not, that's fine too. I typically not own mass produced cars like the 458 and I have no interest in the FF (although it is a great daily driver in some regards.) For example, I would find myself in an 8C Spider rather than a 4C or a Speciale rather than a regular 458. A side benefit of such cars is while the 458 and FF drop and continue to drop in value, cars like the Speciale or 8C Spider will probably never drop in value but instead will likely appreciate over time. Again, I don't "need" a Spyder. A Z8 and 8C, etc., would suffice as would a number of other more rare vehicles. Plus the longer the Spyder sits on the showroom floor (month after month they sit there) the more proof there is these cars are not in such demand.