Archimedes

Maybe if there are 400 GT4s on boats right now. No way there have been anywhere near that many GT4s delivered in the North America.

wizee

Every GT4 and Spyder in Canadian dealer inventory has been accounted for by VIN Analytics, not sure about US cars. However, the last recorded builds (for Canada at least) were 3 weeks ago, and more may not have entered their system yet.

You're right about there being some GT4s built in Stuttgart, re-examining VINWiki, I saw a few with S in the VIN instead of K. All the production Spyders in North America appear to be built in Stuttgart though, and most of the GT4s are from Osnabrück.

Loess

I’m not guessing and I didn’t say delivered.

wizee

Where do you get this info?

Dyim

So very roughly speaking, we are about halfway number wise in North America compared to 981.

When is the expected production run for 718 GT4/ Spyder to end?

Is MY 2021 the last?

wizee

There might be a model year 2022 for North America - I’m not sure. In North America, there are no legal impediments to continuing it for MY 2022, since new regulations like mandatory auto emergency braking don’t come into affect until MY 2023 (September 2022). For Europe, all MY2022 cars need things like speed limiters to prevent exceeding the speed limit, and data recorders for analysis after a crash.

What I find most surprising is the ratio of Canada to US builds. Canada is getting over 3x the cars per capita compared to the USA according to numbers Loess posted elsewhere. A similar ratio applies to the numbers I got via VIN Analytics, though those numbers show fewer cars for both. Perhaps Loess is getting data from a source that includes cars that haven’t yet reached the ports in North America.

According to Loess’s statements in the Rennlist Canada forum, they’ve already built twice as many 982 Spyders for the Canadian market as they built 981 Spyder. If those numbers are accurate, and the trend continues, by the end of the production run, 982 Spyders might be 4-5x more common than 981 Spyders in Canada. Also, if the trend reported by Loess continues for a couple more model years, they would have built more 718 Cayman GT4 for Canada than than 718 Cayman base model.

M718R

I have a 2020 Spyder ordered that should be coming this week. One of the last builds for 2020 model year I would think. My estimate for total spyders during the three year run coming into Canada would be around 500-600 cars. It would make them rare. Just not super rare. I think there is more than 64 spyders for the 2020 Build in Canada. As for the US, I would safely multiply by 4 or 5 (2,000-3,200 over three model years). Don't know about GT4. These are just my thoughts and I have no data to back up my claims...lol.

wizee

A 500 car run for Canada would make it not rare at all. That would mean roughly 1000 GT4s for Canada. For comparison, they only sold around 1000 C7 Corvette Z06 (coupe and cabriolet combined) in Canada over its full production run. If they build this many, it would make GT4/Spyder more common than a Z06 Corvette here.

If you make an account on VIN Analytics, and then enter your VIN number, is it listed as one of the 64 for Canada that have already entered their system? I’ve checked over a dozen VINs for GT4 and Spyder cars that are on their way to dealers, and they were all counted by them. It’s possible ones that are further out, possibly still on ships or in Europe, and not showing in dealer inventory, are not counted by them though.

2020Spyder

It will be interesting to see where the numbers for 2020 land. I have been tracking the US build numbers for Spyder's and GT4's on VIN Analytics when I get a chance. The Spyder numbers have been going up more than the GT4 numbers. Spyder's were at 197 and GT4's were at 371 when I last checked this afternoon. I am not sure how Vin Analytics works exactly, but I think VIN Analytics accounts for vehicles that have arrived at port and are heading to dealers. So Porsche has built whatever number they have built and they register once they arrive on shore for distribution, if I am correct in my assumptions. They will probably build more in 2021 assuming no issues with COVID-19 shutdowns. I wonder if there is any constrained demand that will drive the 2021 and further production years higher, or if the current production numbers account for demand.

Archimedes

My car just arrived on a boat into the Port of San Diego. There were ~500 Porsches on it; only seven were 718s.

2020Spyder

Do you know how many of the 7 were GT4's/Spyder's?

klinkman

The day I received my VIN for my GT4 (it was on its way to Emden that day) I verified the build on VIN Analytics and it was spot on. That was after production and before it even got to the port. My 2020 GT4 came out of production 7/28, was built in Stuttgart (very surprisingly to me) and as of today is on the SIEM CICERO heading to the USA. Expected delivery in MO, 9/18/20.

M718R

I just checked VIN analytics and I am 63/64. I was told by S/A I was still in Halifax to be shipped next week to dealer. That was a few days ago. I don't know about the z06 numbers for Canada but they made like 40k z06 for the C7. So 2-3k spyders plus 4-5k in GT4 for the total run makes them 5 times rarer than a C7 z06. (roughly) I think it will be somewhat a rare car. Just not speedster territory rare. I think covid affected 2020 production numbers, there will be more to come in '21 model year. Although GTS 4.0 might slow it down a little as well. Also you must factor in the ZR1 numbers ( although they are pretty small) since Spyder/gt4 is top of range.

I will say for 2020 64 cars is not a lot at all.

Mark Dreyer

You stole my joke. LOL

wizee

Ooh, mine is #62/64 for Canada. Still on the way from Halifax too.

Be aware that Canadian Porsche sales are only around 5% of the whole world. So if they build 1500 (1000 GT4 + 500 Spyder ) for Canada, that would mean around 30k globally. Anyway, I don't think they'll build anywhere near that many. There aren't enough buyers for them in Canada.

They actually sold around 2000 C7 Z06 in Canda, not 1000, I was mistaken earlier. They built a total of around 10.5k C7 Corvettes for Canada.