How rare are these cars?
10-22-2022, 05:37 PM
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I had shared these spreadsheets I made earlier in this thread, but I'll just share them again so people don't have to dig for them.
2020 Spyders: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LW3...ew?usp=sharing
2021 Spyders: https://drive.google.com/file/d/13D9...ew?usp=sharing
The 2020 list is complete for all North American market cars. The 2021 list is missing some cars in the range WP0CC2A82MS240651 to WP0CC2A88MS240749, and missing option details for many cars. The data is missing because VIN Analytics started paywalling their data for VINs that hadn't been looked up previously. Nevertheless, my understanding is that all cars in that VIN range exist.
North American production numbers for Spyders are thus:
2020 Spyders: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LW3...ew?usp=sharing
2021 Spyders: https://drive.google.com/file/d/13D9...ew?usp=sharing
The 2020 list is complete for all North American market cars. The 2021 list is missing some cars in the range WP0CC2A82MS240651 to WP0CC2A88MS240749, and missing option details for many cars. The data is missing because VIN Analytics started paywalling their data for VINs that hadn't been looked up previously. Nevertheless, my understanding is that all cars in that VIN range exist.
North American production numbers for Spyders are thus:
- Model year 2020: 410 USA, 144 Canada
- Model year 2021: 700 USA, 120 Canada (approximate, including cars with details missing from my spreadsheet)
10-22-2022, 06:25 PM
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I am pretty sure that is what @wizee said, some VINS will not be listed for 2021 as he was not able to get them from Vin Analytics...
Are you in the range of missing VIN's he lists, if you want you could reach out to him and share your VIN.
Are you in the range of missing VIN's he lists, if you want you could reach out to him and share your VIN.
10-22-2022, 08:02 PM
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10-22-2022, 09:00 PM
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I am pretty sure that is what @wizee said, some VINS will not be listed for 2021 as he was not able to get them from Vin Analytics...
Are you in the range of missing VIN's he lists, if you want you could reach out to him and share your VIN.
Are you in the range of missing VIN's he lists, if you want you could reach out to him and share your VIN.
Right, was built towards the end of the year in October 21.
10-22-2022, 09:31 PM
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An N VIN is a model year 2022, even if was built in calendar year 2021. My 2021 list only has model year 2021 (M VINs), and my 2020 list only has model year 2020 (L VINs).
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10-22-2022, 10:18 PM
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10-22-2022, 10:42 PM
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11-27-2022, 09:54 AM
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So by the time Production ends next summer...Probably total 2000 Spyders for USA from MY2020 through MY2023?
11-27-2022, 12:53 PM
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Going by VIN numbers on VINWiki and historic USA-Canada ratios, that sounds about right. As ballpark figures, I’d estimate around 2000 for the US market and 500 for the Canadian market, at the end of four model years of production.
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11-27-2022, 02:06 PM
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Simply through VINs.
You can look up every VIN and see the entire build and production month through VIN analytics.
You can use a VIN calculator to go through to correct each one as there is a sequential formula to each car. I used this one:
http://www.alton-moore.net/vin_calculation.html
It takes time, but it’s possible. I used it a ton for the 987.2 Spyder. Downloaded every single car build sheet.
You can look up every VIN and see the entire build and production month through VIN analytics.
You can use a VIN calculator to go through to correct each one as there is a sequential formula to each car. I used this one:
http://www.alton-moore.net/vin_calculation.html
It takes time, but it’s possible. I used it a ton for the 987.2 Spyder. Downloaded every single car build sheet.
Sadly it doesn't seem to work anymore as VIN analytics charges per VIN and I couldn't find a different method to automate this process.
If anyone knows of one - please let me know.
11-27-2022, 06:09 PM
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Just by going for what's available on the used market, I was a bit surprised to see there's significantly more Spyders/GT4s than GTS 4.0's for sale, which probably means the GTS 4.0 is more rare?
Even if you limit it to MY21-23, there's roughly 50-70% more GT cars than GTS's. I imagine that will change next year, but still.
Even if you limit it to MY21-23, there's roughly 50-70% more GT cars than GTS's. I imagine that will change next year, but still.
11-27-2022, 07:32 PM
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11-27-2022, 07:48 PM
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Just by going for what's available on the used market, I was a bit surprised to see there's significantly more Spyders/GT4s than GTS 4.0's for sale, which probably means the GTS 4.0 is more rare?
Even if you limit it to MY21-23, there's roughly 50-70% more GT cars than GTS's. I imagine that will change next year, but still.
Even if you limit it to MY21-23, there's roughly 50-70% more GT cars than GTS's. I imagine that will change next year, but still.
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11-27-2022, 09:04 PM
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Just by going for what's available on the used market, I was a bit surprised to see there's significantly more Spyders/GT4s than GTS 4.0's for sale, which probably means the GTS 4.0 is more rare?
Even if you limit it to MY21-23, there's roughly 50-70% more GT cars than GTS's. I imagine that will change next year, but still.
Even if you limit it to MY21-23, there's roughly 50-70% more GT cars than GTS's. I imagine that will change next year, but still.
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11-27-2022, 09:58 PM
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I’ve seen two 718 Spyder’s in Greater Toronto Area in the wild from 2020 to 2022, not including a pre arranged meet up and drive with fellow Spyder enthusiast Jim Rockford. I’ve been coming down to my place in SW Florida for winters more often since Covid and only saw one down here - a silver 718 Spyder in the valet parking lot at The Ritz Carlton when I went there for dinner. That was until Tuesday afternoon when I was passed by a Miami Blue Spyder on I-75 (I was bummed I was not my GB Spyder).
As posted with pics on here, I purchased the Car Capsule back in 2020 to store and hibernate my car in for the winter. Well this year decided life is too short to drive a Spyder for less than half the year and this year had shipped down to my home in SW Florida. So glad I did that, fits in right at home here in the sunshine, the beach and palm trees.
With respect to the C8 corvette, my neighbour down here asked if he could use my garage down here to put his C8 in (he has motorcycles, and other cars), I said sure since I’m not down here in summer. GM did a great job with car - what a bang for your buck. Tough to argue with that. However, I see on average 4 to 5 C8’s down here in Naples everyday when I out and about. They are ubiquitous. There are 5 in my golf community alone where I live. For some this isn’t a big deal, but I like the rarity of the Spyder as I did with my Ferrari - it makes it that much more unique car. But to each their own, and if it’s the car that makes you feel good, I guess it shouldn’t matter how many there are. Just my 2 cents. (I guess more accurately a penny and 3/4 with the current exchange rate.)
As posted with pics on here, I purchased the Car Capsule back in 2020 to store and hibernate my car in for the winter. Well this year decided life is too short to drive a Spyder for less than half the year and this year had shipped down to my home in SW Florida. So glad I did that, fits in right at home here in the sunshine, the beach and palm trees.
With respect to the C8 corvette, my neighbour down here asked if he could use my garage down here to put his C8 in (he has motorcycles, and other cars), I said sure since I’m not down here in summer. GM did a great job with car - what a bang for your buck. Tough to argue with that. However, I see on average 4 to 5 C8’s down here in Naples everyday when I out and about. They are ubiquitous. There are 5 in my golf community alone where I live. For some this isn’t a big deal, but I like the rarity of the Spyder as I did with my Ferrari - it makes it that much more unique car. But to each their own, and if it’s the car that makes you feel good, I guess it shouldn’t matter how many there are. Just my 2 cents. (I guess more accurately a penny and 3/4 with the current exchange rate.)
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