How does the 718 GT4 compare with 981 GT4 and 991.1 GT3 on track?
06-11-2020, 03:02 PM
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How does the 718 GT4 compare with 981 GT4 and 991.1 GT3 on track?
My wife and I have a 981 GT4 and 991.1 GT3, and have tracked both extensively. We're thinking of replacing 981 GT4 with a 718 GT4. Would appreciate opinions on that.
Also, what are the prospects of PDK becoming available for the 718 GT4? We have two manual Porsches for the road, and prefer PDK for the track.
Also, what are the prospects of PDK becoming available for the 718 GT4? We have two manual Porsches for the road, and prefer PDK for the track.
06-11-2020, 03:17 PM
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Faster than the former, slower than the latter.
PDK expected for 2021 model year configuration which is rumored to be open by the end of this month.
PDK expected for 2021 model year configuration which is rumored to be open by the end of this month.
06-11-2020, 03:49 PM
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Nurburgring Lap Times:
718 GT4: 7:28
981 GT4: 7:42
991.1 GT3: 7:32
718 GT4: 7:28
981 GT4: 7:42
991.1 GT3: 7:32
06-11-2020, 04:13 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...eife_lap_times
06-11-2020, 04:16 PM
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The better time of the 718 is mostly because of improved aerodynamics and grip (skidpad results 1.01 vs 1.10). Powertrain contribution is negligible. There is also talks that NR was repaved between the 981 and 982 GT4 tests, but I don't know that for a fact.
Meaning on high speed and long straight tracks the difference will be smaller than in a more technical track, assuming the same driver skills
Meaning on high speed and long straight tracks the difference will be smaller than in a more technical track, assuming the same driver skills
06-11-2020, 04:25 PM
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https://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/lbbz1sl30luj
Bottom line "911 GT3 is the fastest by considerable margin."
Just depends on whether you like mid-engine or rear-engine dynamics.
Bottom line "911 GT3 is the fastest by considerable margin."
Just depends on whether you like mid-engine or rear-engine dynamics.
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06-11-2020, 05:08 PM
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Don't see a 7:25 time in there at all. I like to go by this bigger list than random magazines or random tests quoting times since this has backup;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...eife_lap_times
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...eife_lap_times
06-11-2020, 05:10 PM
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https://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/lbbz1sl30luj
Bottom line "911 GT3 is the fastest by considerable margin."
Just depends on whether you like mid-engine or rear-engine dynamics.
Bottom line "911 GT3 is the fastest by considerable margin."
Just depends on whether you like mid-engine or rear-engine dynamics.
06-11-2020, 05:55 PM
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OK, faster than 981 GT4, not as fast as 991.1 GT3.
What about the handling, throttle response, steering feel, sound, overall driving feel?
Significant cost differential to switch from used 981 GT4 to new 718 GT4, so the question is whether it's worth it.
What about the handling, throttle response, steering feel, sound, overall driving feel?
Significant cost differential to switch from used 981 GT4 to new 718 GT4, so the question is whether it's worth it.
06-11-2020, 06:07 PM
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I'd suggest watching the two dozen or so reviews on already on YouTube, as very few Rennlisters have gotten their cars yet. Everything appears to be mildly improved over the 981, save for the sound, though that last part is a matter of opinion.
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06-11-2020, 08:38 PM
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Trying to find the difference between the 981 GT4 and 718 GT4 is going to require an elite level of driver. The 718 GT4 is just a .2.
There are several contributing factors to the 718 GT4 NR time including new spec tyres (which you can run to a 981, in fact is the OG spec even still sold?) and that the Ring has been extensively resurfaced since the launch of the 981 GT4. Also I believe the time quoted by Porsche for the 981 GT4 was only an extrapolation based upon performance around Nardo....
A 991.1 GT3 is going to be faster than both cars around most circuits primarily due to the straight line performance... so if there is any kind length in the straights - this is where the 911 will eek out the gap.
There are several contributing factors to the 718 GT4 NR time including new spec tyres (which you can run to a 981, in fact is the OG spec even still sold?) and that the Ring has been extensively resurfaced since the launch of the 981 GT4. Also I believe the time quoted by Porsche for the 981 GT4 was only an extrapolation based upon performance around Nardo....
A 991.1 GT3 is going to be faster than both cars around most circuits primarily due to the straight line performance... so if there is any kind length in the straights - this is where the 911 will eek out the gap.
06-11-2020, 08:59 PM
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Trying to find the difference between the 981 GT4 and 718 GT4 is going to require an elite level of driver. The 718 GT4 is just a .2.
There are several contributing factors to the 718 GT4 NR time including new spec tyres (which you can run to a 981, in fact is the OG spec even still sold?) and that the Ring has been extensively resurfaced since the launch of the 981 GT4. Also I believe the time quoted by Porsche for the 981 GT4 was only an extrapolation based upon performance around Nardo....
A 991.1 GT3 is going to be faster than both cars around most circuits primarily due to the straight line performance... so if there is any kind length in the straights - this is where the 911 will eek out the gap.
There are several contributing factors to the 718 GT4 NR time including new spec tyres (which you can run to a 981, in fact is the OG spec even still sold?) and that the Ring has been extensively resurfaced since the launch of the 981 GT4. Also I believe the time quoted by Porsche for the 981 GT4 was only an extrapolation based upon performance around Nardo....
A 991.1 GT3 is going to be faster than both cars around most circuits primarily due to the straight line performance... so if there is any kind length in the straights - this is where the 911 will eek out the gap.
06-11-2020, 08:59 PM
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The better time of the 718 is mostly because of improved aerodynamics and grip (skidpad results 1.01 vs 1.10). Powertrain contribution is negligible. There is also talks that NR was repaved between the 981 and 982 GT4 tests, but I don't know that for a fact.
Meaning on high speed and long straight tracks the difference will be smaller than in a more technical track, assuming the same driver skills
Meaning on high speed and long straight tracks the difference will be smaller than in a more technical track, assuming the same driver skills
06-11-2020, 09:01 PM
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Handling is improved, torque curve/throttle response as well, and so is the grip. But to TDT's point the perception of that requires a very advanced driver, which maybe you are.
I've driven the 981 a few times and now I own the 982 GT4. I did that because I wanted a new Porsche and it was the first time I could afford a new one, and I had been following the hype of this one for the past 18 months. I'm a hobbist track driver so I can't really tell the difference, other than the engine feels much more linear and progressive than the 981. And the stock exhaust sound sucks now and it didn't before.
From a value hold perspective, it that factors in for you, the 981 was limited production, the first of all GT4s, etc. The 718 will not be limited, will compete with the GTS 4.0 for the ones who don't track often, therefore the likelihood that the 718 will hold as much value as the 981 did is also quite smaller.