EA: We need a class action attorney
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I cannot see Tesla opening up their charger network for non Tesla. They know the only advantage Tesla has is their superior supercharger network. The day Bolts, Kia EV6 etc can use the Tesla superchargers will be the day Tesla will be taught exactly who they are, a shoddy Lada/Moskvitch.
Plus he can make money by over changing us for a kWhr, and we’ll pay it just for the convenience.
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Needsdecaf (01-23-2023)
#33
Costs
Add in the part that if Tesla can keep it's reliability up, anyone doing a long trip will rather aim for their chargers than the hit and miss that too many of the other charging companies have.
#34
I don’t think DOT is the responsible agency.
“Through a series of three partial settlements, the EPA has resolved a civil enforcement case against Volkswagen AG, Audi AG, Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG, Volkswagen Group of America, Inc., “
Maybe it is EPA or the enforcement agency?
Again, this is the reason we need a big class action legal team.
“Through a series of three partial settlements, the EPA has resolved a civil enforcement case against Volkswagen AG, Audi AG, Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG, Volkswagen Group of America, Inc., “
Maybe it is EPA or the enforcement agency?
Again, this is the reason we need a big class action legal team.
EA should have built out their charging stations at gas stations (or similar, convenience stores) with on-site people there most of the day (if not 24 hr/day) to be trained to handle problems and/or call for help when any one charger goes down. Mind-boggling how inept the management has been at EA.
Last edited by cometguy; 01-23-2023 at 11:04 PM.
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The day Bolts, Kia EV6 etc can use the Tesla superchargers will be the day Tesla will be taught exactly who they are, a shoddy Lada/Moskvitch.
#37
Huh?
I cannot see Tesla opening up their charger network for non Tesla. They know the only advantage Tesla has is their superior supercharger network. The day Bolts, Kia EV6 etc can use the Tesla superchargers will be the day Tesla will be taught exactly who they are, a shoddy Lada/Moskvitch.
Most non-long distance drivers do not need superchargers, so they would be buying non-Teslas if the cars were so much better. Or are you claiming three quarters of the driving public is driving long distance?
#38
This might actually be worthy of a class action lawsuit agains EA.
https://insideevs.com/news/642914/el...-easy-hacking/
https://insideevs.com/news/642914/el...-easy-hacking/
#39
If those other cars are so good, why do they still have such a smaller share of the BEVs market?
Most non-long distance drivers do not need superchargers, so they would be buying non-Teslas if the cars were so much better. Or are you claiming three quarters of the driving public is driving long distance?
Most non-long distance drivers do not need superchargers, so they would be buying non-Teslas if the cars were so much better. Or are you claiming three quarters of the driving public is driving long distance?
And even if you do charge at home, there is always going to be range anxiety. No matter how slight, it's always going to be extant.
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daveo4porsche (02-01-2023)
#40
Lots of people, believe it or not, own BEV and do not have home chargers. Either b/c they don't want to spend the $$$ or they live in condos/apartments.
And even if you do charge at home, there is always going to be range anxiety. No matter how slight, it's always going to be extant.
And even if you do charge at home, there is always going to be range anxiety. No matter how slight, it's always going to be extant.
as for not having a charger at home, that severely impacts the the experience of owning an EV, the biggest benefit is that when you have a home charger you plug in when you arrive at home and the next morning your car is full of "juice" and ready to go. relying on public chargers is a huge waste of time.
to sum this up, if someone does not have their own dedicated place to charge, either at home or work, then maybe an EV is not the right choice for a car.
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daveo4porsche (02-01-2023)
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range anxiety is usually an affliction for newbies. once you get familiar with the car range anxiety goes away.
as for not having a charger at home, that severely impacts the the experience of owning an EV, the biggest benefit is that when you have a home charger you plug in when you arrive at home and the next morning your car is full of "juice" and ready to go. relying on public chargers is a huge waste of time.
to sum this up, if someone does not have their own dedicated place to charge, either at home or work, then maybe an EV is not the right choice for a car.
as for not having a charger at home, that severely impacts the the experience of owning an EV, the biggest benefit is that when you have a home charger you plug in when you arrive at home and the next morning your car is full of "juice" and ready to go. relying on public chargers is a huge waste of time.
to sum this up, if someone does not have their own dedicated place to charge, either at home or work, then maybe an EV is not the right choice for a car.
but the govt. mandated migration away from ICE's has some lack of perspective if home charging is not a thing…
#43
Yet another reason to avoid EA, I guess. Free anything is an excuse for abuse.
One of my neighbors has an older Model S with free unlimited Supercharging. Even though she had a 14-50 installed next to her car, she rarely charges at home. When I tease her about it, she says she uses the charging as an excuse to get out and walk around for a bit. (In retrospect, she should have just shared the existing 30 amp clothes dryer receptacle in her garage, and not even bothered installing the 14-50.)
One of my neighbors has an older Model S with free unlimited Supercharging. Even though she had a 14-50 installed next to her car, she rarely charges at home. When I tease her about it, she says she uses the charging as an excuse to get out and walk around for a bit. (In retrospect, she should have just shared the existing 30 amp clothes dryer receptacle in her garage, and not even bothered installing the 14-50.)
#44
what is the alternative?
here in Florida there are few chargers that can match the speeds of the EA units and the other two popular brands, chargepoint and EVGO have their own issues.
last year I was in tampa/St.pete and there are numerous EVGO units and not one was operational.
#45
I tried out EA in Manchester, NH at one 350 with a screen saying something about reduced charge due to software update.
Charge rate dropped quickly to 8.7kW, moved to the other 350 which didn't have the alert screen and got the same rate.
Used a 150 and got around 50kW, a Volvo pulled up to the other 150 and was getting same.
Was happy with 50kW because it's close to the ideal rate for battery life, and it didn't take long to get the 20% I needed.
Charge rate dropped quickly to 8.7kW, moved to the other 350 which didn't have the alert screen and got the same rate.
Used a 150 and got around 50kW, a Volvo pulled up to the other 150 and was getting same.
Was happy with 50kW because it's close to the ideal rate for battery life, and it didn't take long to get the 20% I needed.