usctrojanGT3

90%+ of my driving would be within a 50 mile radius for work. The only place where I would need an EA charger to work would be may trips between SoCal and Las Vegas.

kort677

that's great for you but this discussion is focused on the issues being faced by people who travel further than you venture and need the DC charging, that was a selling point, to be able to provide reliable charging. I have been stuck with a low SOC and not able to get a charge session going, it is not a happy experience.

with all due respect your comment has almost no relevance to this thread.

Dr. G7

"For the eight hours or so that we were actually on the road, we spent close to five and a half hours charging the car."

'nuff said?

Caveats: Chevy Bolt. Three year old article.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/22/b...-charging.html

Add insult to injury:
"estimated that it would take her a full day to get to Las Vegas from her home near San Francisco, a trip that would require about 10 hours in a conventional car."

Dr. G7

What is a charger? I am not a biologist. Quoting Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson

d00d

If I was someone who hits Like buttons, I'd do that for the good doctor's posts.

daveo4porsche

chevy bolts charge speed is insanely low - i owned one - the taycan would be much closer to practical if the charging network was reliable - this trip is easily and frequently accomplished by teslas with no undue/unreasonable delays

chevy’s charge tapering means the bolt spends most of its time charging below 20 kw - vs etron suv @ 150 kw, teslas at 200 kw, taycans at 200+ Kw

teslas win because their charging network is actually reliable

Dr. G7

I just now did yours.

I just love this forum

Dr. G7

True. Except when the charger doesn’t work, 150 kW is the same as 0kW. Bolt or Taycan doesn’t matter.

kort677

the article is nonsense, the driver was clueless, depending on L2 charging while on a trip is idiotic

thebishman

This may be the short term answer:

https://electrek.co/2023/01/22/tesla...arger-network/

whiz944

Bolt EVs max charging rate is 55 kW. Recent Tesla LR cars max at 250 kW. (I've seen 250 kW many times in mine.). Taycan maxes at 270 kW (with the bigger battery pack.)

When road tripping, efficiency matters. The Taycan is less efficient than current Teslas - depending on configuration. So the small difference in max kW isn't a game changer. The Bolt EV isn't bad at reasonable speeds, but does take a significant hit in the winter time due to lack of heat pump. All current Teslas have incorporated heat pump technology. So does the Taycan.

Kyle Connor held the NYC->Los Angeles Cannonball record for a bit, using a Taycan. If you watch his YouTube video, he had both EA and Porsche on "speed dial", spotters along the route looking for cops and making sure the EA chargers he was pulling into actually worked. He still encountered charging problems during much of the trip. Shortly thereafter, a couple guys rented a 2021 Model S LR on turo, slapped on some aero wheels (with permission from the owner), and casually beat Kyles record by ~2 hours. No spotters, no one on speed dial. They even turned off their radar detectors because of "too many false positives". Today it would be even easier because there are more V3 (250 kW) Superchargers along the route than there were two years ago.

Kyle and some of his buds have been publishing a number of YouTube videos lately excoriating EA. He has been pointing out issues with Chargepoint and EVgo too. I really hope EA and the others get their act together, and soon.

Spyerx

what bug crawled up your ***?

Spyerx

Yes, that's the kicker. Reliability. Out of Spec motoring or reviews has done some road trip testing, and found the taycan is highly competitive with Tesla and others in road tripping speed and pace (with an optimized charging strategy), but, the assumption is the chargers work.

My experience a year ago with EA was pretty good. My experience the last few months has been crap.

Hell I'd pay 50c+ / kwh to have access to the Tesla network for road trips. Really no different than road trip gas stations and their high charges.

Dr. G7

[QUOTE=whiz944;18588001]Bolt EVs max charging rate is 55 kW. Recent Tesla LR cars max at 250 kW. (I've seen 250 kW many times in mine.). Taycan maxes at 270 kW (with the bigger battery pack.

… /QUOTE]

If the charger is down, does it matter 55k or 1000kW?

”I really hope EA and the others get their act together, and soon.”

I do too. But not holding my breath.

Dr. G7

I cannot see Tesla opening up their charger network for non Tesla. They know the only advantage Tesla has is their superior supercharger network. The day Bolts, Kia EV6 etc can use the Tesla superchargers will be the day Tesla will be taught exactly who they are, a shoddy Lada/Moskvitch.