Redhot2474

I got lucky and got an allocation for a GTS. My sales person recommended picking multiple boxes in “e mobility category” - After reading a bit about the options I don’t think these options are needed since I have access to level 2 chargers at my complex/parking garage and will only be using “high speed chargers” a few times per year. Ticking these boxes salesperson recommends throws me a few thousand above my budget I set for this build. Any help would be greatly recommended. Thoughts on some of these items in “e mobility” for my particular charging habits??

PS i can see the value in the power charger port cover

smohr33

IMO nothing needed other than the power charge port cover which is nice.

People may tell you to option the 150 kW/400V DC Charger. I have it on my current Taycan, and do not on my inbound Taycan CT. It has been $460 of dead weight on my current car. Of no use to me, even when the Supercharger network opens, since I virtually never use DC charging. Sounds like your use case is similar.

I also currently have PMCC and saved myself $1,120 this time around by not taking it. Not a great EVSE and overpriced for the minimal benefit over PMC+.

DerekS

Here's my review of the E-Mobility options and what the value is.

Performance Battery Plus: I recommend this unless your car already has it (I believe some specs do.) There is no such thing as too much range on an EV.
Porsche Electric Sport Sound: I like this and feel like it brings a bit of fun. Some people find it silly and useless. I always turn it on when around pedestrians.
Power Charge Port Cover: I really wish I had this option and like you I think it's worth the cost. Without it, I either put fingerprints on a clean charge door, or dirt on my finger.
PIRM: Skip it, you can try it using Features on Demand with a free trial if you wish. I didn't find it brought much value over the built-in charging planner in my trial.
19.2 kW On-Board Charger: This technically gives you the ability to double the level 2 charging performance IF you manage to have or use a L2 charger with > 50 amps. Probably can be skipped unless you know for sure you have access to one of these already and will benefit.
On-Board 150kW/400V DC Charger: I have this option and I believe I have used it once or twice at Francis Energy chargers in Oklahoma. It will speed up DC charging on 400 volt dispensers, but those are currently uncommon. The general consensus is this option is not worth it and I am inclined to agree, but on the other hand it's cheap.
Mobile Charger Connect: This is a variant of the same charger Porsche gives you but with a touch screen and WiFi. If you plan on using the web to peek at your charger to see logs and such, it might have value but there are better chargers for this at much lower cost. They have also been causing people trouble in the hotter weather recently. I recently decommissioned my Porsche charger (non-connect) for a Wallbox Pulsar Plus and I'm much happier.
NEMA 6-30, 6-50 and 13-40 Supply Cables: Not needed unless you know you have one of these plugs already, and plan to use Porsche's charger. The charger comes with a standard 110 plug and a NEMA 14-50.

Hope this helps; I found the myriad of options confusing at first.

daveo4porsche

Get the 400V/150kw option - you're going to want it if you ever need to use Tesla Superchargers - and it's 3x faster than if you don't have it. It's not dead weight if you ever fast charge the car.

2022992guy

Agree 👍

Tesla plans to open superchargers in US too..

I would suggest massage seats.

Cheers!

Redhot2474

Curious, how long would it take to charge at Tesla supercharger if it was stock with performance battery?

Redhot2474

Curious, how long would it take to charge at Tesla supercharger if it was stock with performance battery?

daveo4porsche

Tesla has 3 super charger speeds - different locations offer different speeds

• 72 kW - Urban Superchargers
• 120-150 kW - V2 Superchargers
• 200 kW - V3 Superchargers

"stock" Taycan is limited to 50 kW @ 400V - all superchargers to date are 400V world wide…

assuming a 5% to 90% run and a 83.4 kW "usable" capacity - 85% of 83.4 kW is 70.89 kWh - let's call it 72 kWh required to charge if you pull in to a supercharger at 5% battery and wanna charge to 90% before you unplug and leave.

Without the option the Taycan's max charging speed is limited to 50 kW @ Supercharger - so supercharger speed doesn't matterif you option the 400V/150 kW charger your Taycan can charge fast at various Tesla SuperchargersNOTE: all DC fast chargers can vary charge rate - Supercharger _OR_ EA _OR_ charge point or others (EVGo) - so the numbers above are best case numbers if the charger/stall you are using is matching ideal conditions - what is a fact is that the stock/standard Taycan charger will NEVER do better than 50 kW and may be even slower in less than ideal condtions

however when both the vehicle and the DC Fast Charger (Supercharger or otherwise) are working as planned - I can achieve ideal rates of charge and taking 30 min or less to 85% or 90% is really honestly not that bad of stop - if you are limited to 50 kW and below 20% battery on a Taycan it's going to be 1 hour+ stop closer to 1:20 which is really a very very pause in driving.
this option is cheaper than the electronic sports sound and can save actual time - it's one of the cheapest options on the list - $460 - cheaper than the color of your seat belts. Well worth it in my opinion and will make the vehicle more flexible and uesful.

Redhot2474

thanks, so to clarify the 400/150 kw option would do this 3x faster or (10 min or so)) ?

daveo4porsche

if you need to add 85% (5% to 90%) battery capacity the stock/standard fast charger will take 1 h 44 m at all superchargers since the 50 kW limit in the Taycan limits your charging speed.

if you need to add 85% battery capacity the optional 400v/150 kW charger will take

1 hour @ 72 kW urban supercharger
28-36 minutes at a V2/V3 supercharger

if the superchargers are behaving at capacity - which they often do but sometimes not.

daveo4porsche

here is the current supercharger map for North America - orange/brown pins are Urban superchargers (72 kW), red pins are V2 superchargers (120-150 kw), purple pins at V3 superchargers (200 kw) - black pins are closed/offline superchargers

if you do NOT add the $460 option your stop for an 85% charge at any of these locations will be 1:44 best case due to the Taycan's 50 kW limit.

2022992guy

Nice Analysis!

Wondering if anyone can suggest a tesla to ccs adapter? I think tesla is adding ccs plugs.

Redhot2474

got it! Very helpful info. What’s the most powerful electrify network capable of? Also, my parking garage has a Tesla wall charger - I currently use it to charge my Tesla and I get around 25-28miles per hour. If I add the 19.2 kw on board charging option will this double the speed? I assume the plug adapter to use this doesn’t come with car, correct?

daveo4porsche

for the Tesla network to "open" in North American some CCS soluiton must be deployed - Tesla has so far been "mum" on the exact method of compatibility for CCS vehicles (Ford F150, Taycan, ID.4, Bolt, Rivian, lucid etc…)but something will be done _IF_ the network is to be opened - we'll see how Tesla does this when they get around to letting us know.

in Europe Tesla already uses the correct plug type - so "opening" the network required no physical changes or adapters - just business process to activate the charging session - which they have done via the Tesla app - you download the app, register an account, credit card, and you can then activate supercharger sessions for your non-Tesla vehicle.

I have a CCS adapter for my son's 2022 Model Y (Tesla sells one in Korea and you can get them on eBay) - my son can use either the Tesla Supercharger network _OR_ the CCS network for his fast charging needs - it's a real game changer for long distance driving to have access to both types of fast charging networks...

now all we need is the abiliyt for CCS vehicles in north American to use Superchargers and we'll all be free to choose the best charging network based on logistics and circumstance -

I prefer the Supercharger network because:

1. tend to have more stalls at most sites (8-80 stalls is possible)
2. tend to be actually operational vs. EA which tends to have reliability issues

I look forward to Tesla opening the network and the 400V/150kW charger for $460 seem a reasonable purchase for maximum fast charging performance and flexibility.

daveo4porsche

the 19.2 kW option for the Taycan will only charge faster _IF_ your Tesla charger at home is on a 100 amp breaker - 19.2 kW charger tends to be 50-60 miles of range per hour of charge - so I don't think your parking garage charger is more than 60 amps - but I'd need to know the breaker size to be certain.

I do not recommend the $1680 19.2 kW charger for North America - there are not a lot of 100 amp chargers in the wild or at businesses - so unless you have a 100 amp EVSE at home/work you are very very unlikely to encounter one in the wild away from home - you have a much greater chance of using the 400V/150 kW option than you do of ever using the 19.2 kW option.

to use Tesla chargers like the one in your parking garage you'll need to purchase a TeslaTap - but this is useful for all EV's so you can use Tesla chargers you encounter while away from home - so it's a generic item I recommend all EV owners own…TeslaTap does NOT make your car able to use supercharger network - that adapter/method is NOT yet announced by Tesla for North America -stay tuned - but TeslaTap will let you use non-Supercharger Tesla chargers in parking garages, hotels, businesses…so it's still useful, but not for the Supercharging network.

I can not say how fast your Taycan will charge unless I know the breaker size of your existing home/parking-garage charger

the fastest the Taycan can charge is 270 kW from 350 kW 800V chargers by Electrify American and others - Porsche claims 5% to 80% in 22 minutes best case. But not all EA chargers are 350 kW chargers - some are only 150 kW chargers - and other fast chargers from ChargePoint, EVGo, Blink, etc… range from 25kw to 350 kW - but the Taycan is limited to 270 kW max charging speed as documented by Porsche

but I've done the math - 150 kW will charge in about 28 min, and 270 kW will charge in about 22 min - because as the battery gets "full" teh charge rate is tapered/lower to avoid damage to the LiON cells - so you can not use 270 kW for the entire charging session.

basically at 150 kW or faster you're going to be in/out with a Taycan in 30 min or less is my rule of thumb…and when the EA station is broken or can't activate a session it will take much longer than 30 minutes - where as the Supercharger network works most of the time.