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Seems like a waste of money to me. 2 50 amp circuits and 2 level 2 chargers for under $2000 is what I'd do. No need for faster home charging than that IMO.
Where do you live where you can get two chargers, plus electrical work, all done for under $2k?
In South FL. I had 2 outlets including 50 Amp breakers and 6 Ga. wiring installed for $800. I paid under $500 for a Grizzl-E charger and used the Porsche charger that came with my 2020 T4S. If starting from scratch, I'd do 2 Grizzl-E's rather than the Porsche charger. More reliable. Total would be under $2000. Mounting the chargers on the wall was included.
In South FL. I had 2 outlets including 50 Amp breakers and appropriate wiring installed for $800. I paid under $500 for a Grizzl-E charger and used the Porsche charger that came with my 2020 T4S. If starting from scratch, I'd do 2 Grizzl-E's rather than the Porsche charger. More reliable. Total would be under $2000. Mounting the chargers on the wall was included.
You had a licensed electrician install two outlets, two 50 amp breakers, run all the wiring, and pay permits for $800? Electrical must be cheap in Florida.
Two Juiceboxes here would be $650 each and the electrical would be about $2k, more if you had to put in a new panel.
Yes, by a licensed electrician including 2 50 amp breakers, wire, conduit, and mounting the chargers which I supplied. On 2 different walls. I got bids from 3 separate electricians and two were around the same price, and one was 50% more. The added bonus was the 30% tax credit from the IRS.
Quick view didn't show the exact option I'm going with so I'll briefly describe it here. As in one of the other posts I'm installing a 100AMP breaker on my main panel and running at line, approx 90' to my garage. I'm going for the AC fast charging and ordered the Porsche Wall Charger Connect: https://shop.porsche.com/us/en/porsc...roduct-details. To use it you need to specify the 19.2 kW On-Board Charger option for the Taycan.
1. 100AMP breaker, wiring to the garage, mount/connect the Porsche Wall charger Connect - $2500
2. Porsche Wall Charger Connect - $1586 plus shipping
3. 19.2 kW On-Board Charger option - $1680
So almost $6k to set up for AC fast charging. On the 80AMP setting, I should be able to AC fast charge from 0 - 100% in about 5 hours at home. Since I plan on buying my wife an EV (Probably a 2023 Macan) I'm hoping that this will, at least somewhat, future-proof me. At least 90% of my charging will be done at home.
I am seriously considering this setup as well. The Taycan will be my first EV, and I am also interested in the upcoming electric Macan. The electrician will have to run the wire from the main panel to the garage anyway, and the incremental cost of 100 AMP vs. 50 AMP wiring is minimal. My electrician gave the green light on both wiring options. This setup provides the fastest at-home charging and offers potential future-proofing. I think the additional cost may be worthwhile. Do any Taycan owners have this charging setup at home?
I have 100 amp chargers (two Tesla wall chargers sharing a 100 amp circuit split dynamic load) - but I do not have a 19.2 kW Taycan - but I’ve had a 72 amp Tesla Model X - fast charging at home is great if you can get it - and it will future proof you for the future - my recommendation is an EVSE that can split load by sharing a circuit for the future multi-EV househoud.
You had a licensed electrician install two outlets, two 50 amp breakers, run all the wiring, and pay permits for $800? Electrical must be cheap in Florida.
Two Juice Boxes here would be $650 each and the electrical would be about $2k, more if you had to put in a new panel.
Yes looks like costs can vary depending on where you live but even if it was $800 or $1600 its still less than the proposed $6k cost of the setup proposed by one of the posters. My god there are tons of other options out there vs the Porsche Charger system that will do the job. Thats almost the cost of an install and some of the chargers I've seen others procure on Amazon.com and other sites alone! My current level 2 charger was $300 for my wife's BMW X3e and am using pre-wired garage from prior homeowner for 14-150 NEMA volt 240 power!
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Yes looks like costs can vary depending on where you live but even if it was $800 or $1600 its still less than the proposed $6k cost of the setup proposed by one of the posters. My god there are tons of other options out there vs the Porsche Charger system that will do the job. Thats almost the cost of an install and some of the chargers I've seen others procure on Amazon.com and other sites alone! My current level 2 charger was $300 for my wife's BMW X3e and am using pre-wired garage from prior homeowner for 14-150 NEMA volt 240 power!
Mine was the post with the $6k total cost and $2500 was the cost for the wiring, the high estimate was over $3k the low was a bit less than $2500 but I went with an electrician that I trust and have used before.
This is a thread about home charging solutions. I chose to go with an option that would support 19.2kw (AC) fast charging. I'm not aware of any charger, other than the Porsche Wall Charger connect that will support 19.2kw (AC) charging. To get 19.2kw requires the $1680 19.2kw on-board charger option for the Taycan. There are a lot of lower-cost options (but not for 19.2kw (AC) fast charging), including the $0 cost option of just using the charger that comes with the car. Mine was just one example of a setup that might be of interest to someone else.
ClipperCreek makes a 100/80 amp charger
Grizzl makes one
I think some juiceboxes can do it
Good to know. A quick look shows the ClipperCreek 80AMP chargers at over $2k and the Grizzl 80AMP at about $2k so the Porsche Wall Charger Connect is the cost-effective option for 19.2kw (AC) charging? Plus the Porsche charger is much better looking ;-)
yeah unlike the PMCC - which is super expensive and not that good - the $1600 Porsche Wall charger appears to be a great product - affordable, good feature set, nice design/appearance - I have no personally experience with it - but I’m optimistic - if works as advertised it’s a top choice…and very competitive in the world of 100/80 amp EVSE’s
but it’s also flexible - you can set it to virtually any circuit size to fit your home’s capabilities
the Porsche Wall Charger is a great choice for a fixed home EVSE.
yeah unlike the PMCC - which is super expensive and not that good - the $1600 Porsche Wall charger appears to be a great product - affordable, good feature set, nice design/appearance - I have no personally experience with it - but I’m optimistic - if works as advertised it’s a top choice…and very competitive in the world of 100/80 amp EVSE’s
but it’s also flexible - you can set it to virtually any circuit size to fit your home’s capabilities
the Porsche Wall Charger is a great choice for a fixed home EVSE.
I have high hopes but although the charger will be installed next month the car won't be here until April. I will report back once it arrives and let everyone know how it goes.
Mine was the post with the $6k total cost and $2500 was the cost for the wiring, the high estimate was over $3k the low was a bit less than $2500 but I went with an electrician that I trust and have used before.
This is a thread about home charging solutions. I chose to go with an option that would support 19.2kw (AC) fast charging. I'm not aware of any charger, other than the Porsche Wall Charger connect that will support 19.2kw (AC) charging. To get 19.2kw requires the $1680 19.2kw on-board charger option for the Taycan. There are a lot of lower-cost options (but not for 19.2kw (AC) fast charging), including the $0 cost option of just using the charger that comes with the car. Mine was just one example of a setup that might be of interest to someone else.
Got it. Didn;'t get the 19.2w on board charger option for my Taycan as when I talked to most for public charging it just wasn't part of existing US charging infrastructure I believe outside of Tesla's super chargers network. Otherwise EVgo and other support what the car otherwise comes with an still set charging milestones which is good for me. At home maybe when we move into our "forever" home we'll move to a similar set up but will be okay I hope with what I have now in terms of level 2 and decide then. Don't even have my car until sometime in 2022 so no worries. Thanks for the clarification.
Originally Posted by daveo4porsche
yeah unlike the PMCC - which is super expensive and not that good - the $1600 Porsche Wall charger appears to be a great product - affordable, good feature set, nice design/appearance - I have no personally experience with it - but I’m optimistic - if works as advertised it’s a top choice…and very competitive in the world of 100/80 amp EVSE’s
but it’s also flexible - you can set it to virtually any circuit size to fit your home’s capabilities
the Porsche Wall Charger is a great choice for a fixed home EVSE.
Good info to know and that explains things comparatively a bit more. Thanks
Got it. Didn;'t get the 19.2w on board charger option for my Taycan as when I talked to most for public charging it just wasn't part of existing US charging infrastructure I believe outside of Tesla's super chargers network. Otherwise EVgo and other support what the car otherwise comes with an still set charging milestones which is good for me. At home maybe when we move into our "forever" home we'll move to a similar set up but will be okay I hope with what I have now in terms of level 2 and decide then. Don't even have my car until sometime in 2022 so no worries. Thanks for the clarification...
A lot of the public L2 charging stations that one sees are only 30 amps (and 208V). A significant exception has been the Tesla "Destination" charging stations - which have often offered higher power for road trippers. Tesla used to offer 72- and 80 amp on-board charging options in the early Model S and X. These days there are enough DC fast charging sites that higher speed L2 really isn't needed so much. I guess the "take rate" was low enough that it hasn't been worth the extra production steps to continue offering the option.
So it seems that the EV market is converging on 48 amp on-board chargers. This covers the common cases of 24, 32, and 40 amp charging - plus a little extra for those so inclined to go for a 48 amp setup. It also works out well in the internal design of the on-board chargers - where the manufacturers can divide the power electronics into three 16 amp sections - then wire them appropriately for single- or three-phase geographies. Lower cost EVs usually have a 32 amp on-board charger (e.g., two 16 amp boards instead of three.)
Perhaps when trucks, with relatively low efficiency compared to a car, start coming with battery packs significantly larger than 100 kWh, this will change.
11-12-2021, 07:23 PM
