Tesla existential threat?
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Yep, we’re all in on it. Making energy cheaper, reducing costs to drive and making cars faster. All to screw you over. We have an entire little army sticking lighters under thermometers and tampering with ice cores. You should see the guys in charge of the hurricanes. We’ve even co-opted deer to **** on glaciers at night- that part goes back 100 years- our founders had quite a bit of foresight, I must say.
I'm sorry for you.
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So very true - the secret is to be effective and focus on the things of significance you can achieve that may make a difference.
The light-weighting and battery items are at full clip, however and with great sadness I am in the process of restarting a third string used by groups of exceptional people that I hoped I would not need the pleasure of in this part of the world in my lifetime.
Understand the objective, build the right team, foucs on being effective and achieving the objective, trust in the team, never give up and even in the toughest situations you pull through because of your mind.
The light-weighting and battery items are at full clip, however and with great sadness I am in the process of restarting a third string used by groups of exceptional people that I hoped I would not need the pleasure of in this part of the world in my lifetime.
Understand the objective, build the right team, foucs on being effective and achieving the objective, trust in the team, never give up and even in the toughest situations you pull through because of your mind.
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I also own (and appreciate) my Tesla Model X. Its fast and fun to drive. So, NO, I'm NOT looking for a "lounge experience" - although there would be NOTHING wrong with that...
Just because we NOW have cars to drive, doesn't mean you can't hop on a horse and go for a ride if that is what you are craving. In fact, one of my racing buddies raises and trains cutting horses (barrel racing). I believe this is ultimately where we will be with EV's. Folks will ultimately be using EV's for daily use but ICE vehicles will still be around if/when folks want to "play" with them. Just because the popularity of EV's is on the rise doesn't mean that ICE powered cars are ultimately going to disappear. We still have horses around for folks to enjoy as well... (...and I don't mean this as a condescending sort of analogy - I love my ICE powered cars as much as the next guy).
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Relax, no one's dying. A 0.04% trace gas has nothing to do with the weather, much less the climate. There's no greenhouse (glass enclosure) around the planet (made of a 0.04% trace gas?!), there's no "greenhouse effect", and heat is free to leave via convection. We are not 7 billion puppies locked in a car parked in the sun with the windows up, no matter how many depressed autistic teenage girls are abused to scare you into believing it.
Even the "97% scientists agree" trope is a hoax:
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/a...3660c2564bff43
"It is often claimed that 97 per cent of scientists conclude that humans are causing global warming. Is that really true? No. It is a zombie statistic...
The 97 per cent figure derives from a survey sent to 10,257 people with a self-interest in human-induced global warming who published “science” supported by taxpayer-funded research grants. Replies from 3146 respondents were whittled down to 77 self-appointed climate “scientists” of whom 75 were judged to agree that human-induced warming was taking place. The 97 per cent figure derives from a tribe with only 75 members."
I refuse to believe your naivete about what a scare hoax like this (if acted upon) means for the levels of collectivism, socialism, totalitarianism, and centralized govt power on a global level. No one is this naive.
If you insist on being scared, a much more likely scenario for hundreds of millions to be killed is if this green hoax continues to empower sociopaths, control freaks, collectivists, and socialists globally and turns the whole planet into a gulag with no way out. That's a much more realistic and much more deadly threat to fear.
Even the "97% scientists agree" trope is a hoax:
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/a...3660c2564bff43
"It is often claimed that 97 per cent of scientists conclude that humans are causing global warming. Is that really true? No. It is a zombie statistic...
The 97 per cent figure derives from a survey sent to 10,257 people with a self-interest in human-induced global warming who published “science” supported by taxpayer-funded research grants. Replies from 3146 respondents were whittled down to 77 self-appointed climate “scientists” of whom 75 were judged to agree that human-induced warming was taking place. The 97 per cent figure derives from a tribe with only 75 members."
I refuse to believe your naivete about what a scare hoax like this (if acted upon) means for the levels of collectivism, socialism, totalitarianism, and centralized govt power on a global level. No one is this naive.
If you insist on being scared, a much more likely scenario for hundreds of millions to be killed is if this green hoax continues to empower sociopaths, control freaks, collectivists, and socialists globally and turns the whole planet into a gulag with no way out. That's a much more realistic and much more deadly threat to fear.
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Relax, no one's dying. A 0.04% trace gas has nothing to do with the weather, much less the climate. There's no greenhouse (glass enclosure) around the planet (made of a 0.04% trace gas?!), there's no "greenhouse effect", and heat is free to leave via convection. We are not 7 billion puppies locked in a car parked in the sun with the windows up, no matter how many depressed autistic teenage girls are abused to scare you into believing it.
Even the "97% scientists agree" trope is a hoax:
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/a...3660c2564bff43
"It is often claimed that 97 per cent of scientists conclude that humans are causing global warming. Is that really true? No. It is a zombie statistic...
The 97 per cent figure derives from a survey sent to 10,257 people with a self-interest in human-induced global warming who published “science” supported by taxpayer-funded research grants. Replies from 3146 respondents were whittled down to 77 self-appointed climate “scientists” of whom 75 were judged to agree that human-induced warming was taking place. The 97 per cent figure derives from a tribe with only 75 members."
I refuse to believe your naivete about what a scare hoax like this (if acted upon) means for the levels of collectivism, socialism, totalitarianism, and centralized govt power on a global level. No one is this naive.
If you insist on being scared, a much more likely scenario for hundreds of millions to be killed is if this green hoax continues to empower sociopaths, control freaks, collectivists, and socialists globally and turns the whole planet into a gulag with no way out. That's a much more realistic and much more deadly threat to fear.
Even the "97% scientists agree" trope is a hoax:
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/a...3660c2564bff43
"It is often claimed that 97 per cent of scientists conclude that humans are causing global warming. Is that really true? No. It is a zombie statistic...
The 97 per cent figure derives from a survey sent to 10,257 people with a self-interest in human-induced global warming who published “science” supported by taxpayer-funded research grants. Replies from 3146 respondents were whittled down to 77 self-appointed climate “scientists” of whom 75 were judged to agree that human-induced warming was taking place. The 97 per cent figure derives from a tribe with only 75 members."
I refuse to believe your naivete about what a scare hoax like this (if acted upon) means for the levels of collectivism, socialism, totalitarianism, and centralized govt power on a global level. No one is this naive.
If you insist on being scared, a much more likely scenario for hundreds of millions to be killed is if this green hoax continues to empower sociopaths, control freaks, collectivists, and socialists globally and turns the whole planet into a gulag with no way out. That's a much more realistic and much more deadly threat to fear.
I've seen the "97% is a lie" article and its just that itself. Take a step back and do your own research. Take a look at all the independent scientific research organizations - inc NOAA and NASA - (NOT the lobbyist funded organizations). Note that the organizations listed here DO account for 97% and they DO agree on what to agree on ("Global Warming is primarily due to Human Activity"):
https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/
Note that this list of organizations is from NASA (the PLANET people) and is not funded by any lobbyist or heavy industry interest group.
If 97% of Doctors agreed that something you were feeding your kids was slowly killing them, would you continue to do that? Really? What makes you want to agree with the 3% minority (regardless of their motives)? Why do you WANT to accept this as YOUR position?
One of the most destructive things we have to destroy our democracies today is Social Media (Facebook, etc). These ad driven platforms are specifically designed to feed you information which makes you "happy" and keeps you coming back. This is called "Confirmation Bias". We now have major divides in our communities because people are NOT hearing both sides of ANY argument. You need to do your own research on a neutral platform...
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@evanevery I wish to inform you that @hf1 is _ALL_ in on Global warming being a 100% hoax and feels his superior scientific skill make him one of few people in the world that understands all of this global warming nonsense is the work of evil govt. trying to suppress the masses and take away our glorious ICE motors for no reason....it's really a lost cause. People are gonna believe what they believe. but yeah they believe the nonsense 100%
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Who is feeding you this crap and why do you CHOOSE to believe it?
I've seen the "97% is a lie" article and its just that itself. Take a step back and do your own research. Take a look at all the independent scientific research organizations - inc NOAA and NASA - (NOT the lobbyist funded organizations). Note that the organizations listed here DO account for 97% and they DO agree on what to agree on ("Global Warming is primarily due to Human Activity"):
https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/
Note that this list of organizations is from NASA (the PLANET people) and is not funded by any lobbyist or heavy industry interest group.
If 97% of Doctors agreed that something you were feeding your kids was slowly killing them, would you continue to do that? Really? What makes you want to agree with the 3% minority (regardless of their motives)? Why do you WANT to accept this as YOUR position?
One of the most destructive things we have to destroy our democracies today is Social Media (Facebook, etc). These ad driven platforms are specifically designed to feed you information which makes you "happy" and keeps you coming back. This is called "Confirmation Bias". We now have major divides in our communities because people are NOT hearing both sides of ANY argument. You need to do your own research on a neutral platform...
I've seen the "97% is a lie" article and its just that itself. Take a step back and do your own research. Take a look at all the independent scientific research organizations - inc NOAA and NASA - (NOT the lobbyist funded organizations). Note that the organizations listed here DO account for 97% and they DO agree on what to agree on ("Global Warming is primarily due to Human Activity"):
https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/
Note that this list of organizations is from NASA (the PLANET people) and is not funded by any lobbyist or heavy industry interest group.
If 97% of Doctors agreed that something you were feeding your kids was slowly killing them, would you continue to do that? Really? What makes you want to agree with the 3% minority (regardless of their motives)? Why do you WANT to accept this as YOUR position?
One of the most destructive things we have to destroy our democracies today is Social Media (Facebook, etc). These ad driven platforms are specifically designed to feed you information which makes you "happy" and keeps you coming back. This is called "Confirmation Bias". We now have major divides in our communities because people are NOT hearing both sides of ANY argument. You need to do your own research on a neutral platform...
https://clintel.nl/brief-clintel-aan-vn-baas-guterres/
23 September 2019
Sr. António Guterres, Secretary-General, United Nations,
United Nations Headquarters,
New York, NY 10017, United States of America.
Ms. Patricia Espinosa Cantellano, Executive Secretary,
United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change,
UNFCCC Secretariat, UN Campus, Platz der Vereinten Nationen 1,
53113 Bonn, Germany
Your Excellencies,
There is no climate emergency.
A global network of more than 500 knowledgeable and experienced scientists and professionals in climate and related fields have the honor to address to Your Excellencies the attached European Climate Declaration, for which the signatories to this letter are the national ambassadors.
The general-circulation models of climate on which international policy is at present founded are unfit for their purpose. Therefore, it is cruel as well as imprudent to advocate the squandering of trillions on the basis of results from such immature models. Current climate policies pointlessly, grievously undermine the economic system, putting lives at risk in countries denied access to affordable, continuous electrical power.
We urge you to follow a climate policy based on sound science, realistic economics and genuine concern for those harmed by costly but unnecessary attempts at mitigation. We ask you to place the Declaration on the agenda of your imminent New York session.
We also invite you to organize with us a constructive high-level meeting between world-class scientists on both sides of the climate debate early in 2020. The meeting will give effect to the sound and ancient principle no less of sound science than of natural justice that both sides should be fully and fairly heard. Audiatur et altera pars!
Please let us know your thoughts about such a joint meeting.
Yours sincerely, ambassadors of the European Climate Declaration,
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Why do YOU want to believe Human Induced Climate Change is a hoax? Cause you GOTTA want to believe it in light of all the actual evidence? Why? Is it some sort of a tribal requirement to belong in some club? You actually have to WANT to believe its a hoax in order to maintain that position! How does this position benefit you and make you feel better?
How many of the sites being fed to you are lobbyist organizations? Hint: Do they have a "DONATE" button on their front page? How many of them are singular in purpose ("Climate Change is a Hoax")? How many of them are recently formed and solely exist for the dissemination of contrived information? Are any of them ACTUAL scientific organizations, with established studies in many areas, who don't depend on funding from big industry and oil companies? Take a list of the organizations listed in the NASA links... They are true, well established, long-term, scientific organizations.
The "old Story" used to be that there was "No Climate Change", now its "Yeah, there is climate change but its not caused by humans", I guess the next step will eventually be "Yeah, OK, Humans are PART of the problem..." which can then be followed by "Yeah, but now its too late to do anything..."
So, what do you say we just jump to the next step. "Human Activity is PART of the problem". Can we at least agree on that? If we can, then why wouldn't we want to LESSEN our impact?
How many of the sites being fed to you are lobbyist organizations? Hint: Do they have a "DONATE" button on their front page? How many of them are singular in purpose ("Climate Change is a Hoax")? How many of them are recently formed and solely exist for the dissemination of contrived information? Are any of them ACTUAL scientific organizations, with established studies in many areas, who don't depend on funding from big industry and oil companies? Take a list of the organizations listed in the NASA links... They are true, well established, long-term, scientific organizations.
The "old Story" used to be that there was "No Climate Change", now its "Yeah, there is climate change but its not caused by humans", I guess the next step will eventually be "Yeah, OK, Humans are PART of the problem..." which can then be followed by "Yeah, but now its too late to do anything..."
So, what do you say we just jump to the next step. "Human Activity is PART of the problem". Can we at least agree on that? If we can, then why wouldn't we want to LESSEN our impact?
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Why do YOU want to believe Human Induced Climate Change is a hoax? Cause you GOTTA want to believe it in light of all the actual evidence? Why? Is it some sort of a tribal requirement to belong in some club? You actually have to WANT to believe its a hoax in order to maintain that position! How does this position benefit you and make you feel better?
How many of the sites being fed to you are lobbyist organizations? Hint: Do they have a "DONATE" button on their front page? How many of them are singular in purpose ("Climate Change is a Hoax")? How many of them are recently formed and solely exist for the dissemination of contrived information? Are any of them ACTUAL scientific organizations, with established studies in many areas, who don't depend on funding from big industry and oil companies? Take a list of the organizations listed in the NASA links... They are true, well established, long-term, scientific organizations.
The "old Story" used to be that there was "No Climate Change", now its "Yeah, there is climate change but its not caused by humans", I guess the next step will eventually be "Yeah, OK, Humans are PART of the problem..." which can then be followed by "Yeah, but now its too late to do anything..."
So, what do you say we just jump to the next step. "Human Activity is PART of the problem". Can we at least agree on that? If we can, then why wouldn't we want to LESSEN our impact?
How many of the sites being fed to you are lobbyist organizations? Hint: Do they have a "DONATE" button on their front page? How many of them are singular in purpose ("Climate Change is a Hoax")? How many of them are recently formed and solely exist for the dissemination of contrived information? Are any of them ACTUAL scientific organizations, with established studies in many areas, who don't depend on funding from big industry and oil companies? Take a list of the organizations listed in the NASA links... They are true, well established, long-term, scientific organizations.
The "old Story" used to be that there was "No Climate Change", now its "Yeah, there is climate change but its not caused by humans", I guess the next step will eventually be "Yeah, OK, Humans are PART of the problem..." which can then be followed by "Yeah, but now its too late to do anything..."
So, what do you say we just jump to the next step. "Human Activity is PART of the problem". Can we at least agree on that? If we can, then why wouldn't we want to LESSEN our impact?
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The "old Story" used to be that there was "No Climate Change", now its "Yeah, there is climate change but its not caused by humans", I guess the next step will eventually be "Yeah, OK, Humans are PART of the problem..." which can then be followed by "Yeah, but now its too late to do anything..."
So, what do you say we just jump to the next step. "Human Activity is PART of the problem". Can we at least agree on that? If we can, then why wouldn't we want to LESSEN our impact?
So, what do you say we just jump to the next step. "Human Activity is PART of the problem". Can we at least agree on that? If we can, then why wouldn't we want to LESSEN our impact?
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There's no "impact" -- just unsubstantiated claims about nonexistent correlation (CO2 correlates with temperature) and nonexistent causation (CO2 causes temperature changes). This guy won the Nobel prize. Maybe there's something you could learn form him?