That's why I said if it wants to. People like to nick-pick on that but if that's the only thing you can pick it really means/confirms Tesla makes the greatest cars on the planet.

 

thats is funny do you actually believe that? "Electric Jesus" told me so.

Not many people know about Le Mans - oh I think they do . The point being if Tesla are so good they should be able to compete in the great races around the world - but they can't.

If you think the Model 3 is a great track car, then we need go no further.

Tesla will live or die in the market place as will Porsche - thats corporate life or death as the case maybe.

 

While this has nothing to do with the car side of the business, Tesla is being sued by Walmart due to Tesla's solar panels starting fires at several Walmart stores. There is also another larger lawsuit that will go to trial in 2020 involving Tesla's purchase of Solar City. From a longer term financial perspective this is not good and has the possibility to kill the solar side of Tesla's business. The Solar City suit has been flying under the radar for some time. The Walmart suit will be much more higher profile.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/20/walm...aboolainternal

 

Agreed. You need to educate yourself first before we go any further.

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/tesl...ersion-review/
The new time essentially matches a 2016 Porsche Cayman GT4 and even beats a former Best Driver's Car winner, the 2011 Ferrari 458 Italia (1:22.30). Until the new BMW M3 shows up, that perches the Model 3 atop the podium as the world's quickest sport sedan—at least around this track.

 

I don't drive a sports sedan around a track. I drive a car that is able to do this all day long and then do the same the next day and the next. One lap does not make a performance car - it never has.

How many laps can it do at flat knock.......lol oh they had to use three cars in order to get one fast lap, oh and change the tires and oh change the brake pads to a Brembo race compound. 😂

I suggest you educate yourself on what makes a true track capable car. Turn up at a VLN meet with "electric Jesus" and see if a Tesla can cut it in a race series.

How about turn up to any registered series and run in it like everyone else..............

 

https://www.thedrive.com/news/24855/...-approved-fuel

@groundhog you mean like when the Tesla Model 3 showed up - came in 2nd and got disqualified on a “fuel” technicality? You mean that type of race?

EV’s are coming, and you hatred of Tesla isn’t going to stop them.

 

I don't hate them but I do dislike the way Tesla conducts it corporate activities (and the fact that Musk and the Board were hit by the SEC says it all), I just think Tesla EVs are nothing more than people movers spruiked to the nth degree by "electric Jesus" and his acolytes - I would have no problem racing against an EV. As I have no problem racing against turbocharged cars or supercharged cars, or classics or historics.

No problem at all and the guy should have been disqualified because he broke the rules and all he had to do before the event was request an amendment to the sup. regs. These are the regs that are approved by the over arching race authority to ensure facilities, staff and drivers are covered by insurance and a fair go for all.

Its not a conspiracy.

So its simple, you want to join in - then play by the rules or ask for amendments to regs to allow for entry. These are there for a purpose and to protect all. This will allow all additional precautions to be put in place and the correct insurances to be in place for the benefit of everyone. We all have to accept regs and sup. regs. to be involved any event that is run under official mandate.

So just another case of an article written by a poorly informed journo plus EV owner petulant dummy spit........I genuinely couldn't care less if "EVs are coming" or the "red sea is parting" or the "world is ending" a crap EV is a crap EV as is a crap ICE car is a crap ICE car.

So simple really - if you want to be taken seriously race your EVs seriously ..............stop dicking around and do it for real.

 

LOL, your pure hatred for Tesla is showing here.

Challenging them to run in a race series? They're EV's! They don't belong in a race series. And you are completely distorting facts. No one had to show up with 3 cars to do anything. And the Model 3 has been proven to last way, way more than one lap. Show up at VLN? Jeez, do you even know what goes into prepping a car for VLN? How much in common do you think an M240i spec racer has in common with a street M240i? Hint...not freaking much aside from engine, transmission and body in white.

But ok, Whatever. Yeah, Tesla at VLN is really a relevant barometer of something....???

They are fast, fun sports sedans. Nothing more, nothing less. A stock BMW 340i could do no better, just maybe do it for longer. Maybe. It'd probably wilt it's brakes just as fast, if not faster. You yourself said you don't drive a sports sedan around the track...so why are you challenging a Stock Tesla to do so? Your argument holds zero water.

I don't like the way Tesla has done things either, I am no fan of Elon Musk, and I think that this trend toward pushing Autonomous Features is going to bite him in the end. But you're letting your bias because of those factors show big time. I don't let those things get in the way of enjoying mine. Is the product 100% perfect? Not even close. Is it still a great product and a viable alternative to an ICE sports sedan. 110%.

But putting all of that aside, since I still think track results for stock sedans are pretty irrelevant; if you think that a Model 3 is really that weak on a track...think again! Here's the results from 2019 One Lap of America : https://www.onelapofamerica.com/even....do?eventId=39

Tesla Model 3 finished 17th out of 77 runners. And on the track events, it did solid, finishing consistently above mid-pack, beating many Corvette's, Vipers, Caymans, M3's etc. in the process. If you scroll through the results, there are a lot of top 20 results for the Model 3 team, including a 5th and a 7th at Motorsport Park Hastings. That's not "in class", which it won, that's OVERALL.

That "real enough" for you?

 

 

You really should not throw the stone inside your glass house. Have you ever heard the dieselgate?

 

The key-chain problem that turn off the car engine in the middle of a highway, but the company figured the law-suites would cost less than the recall of all the cars.

Earl Colby Pottinger (Tesla, Taycan, Bollinger, Rivian and other BEVs fan)

 

(1) I couldn't care less about Tesla
(2) look at the attitude of the Tesla owners here - no wonder they are universally disliked
(3) The motor trend article to achieve that time required a team of engineers, three cars, modifications on the fly, non OEM tires, non OEM brake pads - in fact race pads - so suck it up they are the facts
(4) the whining article about the disqualified driver - again, straightforward as I pointed out - that was an easy fix - so again suck it up
(5) It's easy to turn any car into a missile my prodrive STI is quicker than my stock RS - it's normal for modified cars to be quicker than OEM
(6). If Tesla wants to show what it's made of enter vehicles in competition as do other manufacturers, it's a well worn and effective path - and why not VLN or the Adac 24 or a touring car championship.
(7). The problem with the disciples of "electric Jesus" like all fundamentalists is they prefer their spin over other people's substance and their accepted marketing over facts as is perfectly demonstrated here
(8). Bring them to a track like the rest of us do with our cars - come and compete - but just stop jerking around - when if I get beaten by somebody in an EV - I'll happily congratulate the driver - couldn't give a stuff about the car - why? Because I would have been beaten by the better driver on the day.

One lap of Road America that really is the epitome of dicking around - I'm talking about real Motorsport - seriously or at the very, very, very least put out a ring time as do all manufacturers of performance cars - it's only 22km, why has that so hard to do - well we all know the answer to that question.

 

Totally agree - that was wrong and they paid the price.

However I'm not a Porsche fan boy - I just happen to own two Porsche sports cars - the rest of the lineup outside sports cars is overpriced stuff for badge buyers.

Nontheless none of this excuses Musks behaviour, the inability of him and his Board to issue anything close to an accurate guidance and the consistent leaking of apparent information to off set bad news - usually through a very disingenuous email to employees.

Do other respected companied behave this way - no.

 

You really do live in a glass house. Attitude of Tesla owners?

I'm out. No use even having a discussion with someone so close minded.

 

Priceless - note my comment posted before yours it's pretty clear who is close minded - you just don't like the facts when they're put in front of you and instead of saying fair enough you do what is colloquially known as a dummy spit.

Good work.