Tesla existential threat?
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Fun facts - lets do it right 
First off in the US - the Camry, Civic, Accord, Sentra, Altima and Elantra were ahead of the Model 3. Sales for the Camry, Civic and Accord were up between 3 and 15% M-on-M whereas Model 3 sales were down by nearly 6% . The cars (noted) ahead of the model 3 totalled ~150,000 sales whereas the Model 3 sold ~13,500. (Note its the Model 3 not M3 - the latter quite rightly belongs to BMW).
What does the Ford F series do ~ 75,000 units a month.
http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/us-pass...ures-by-model/
First off in the US - the Camry, Civic, Accord, Sentra, Altima and Elantra were ahead of the Model 3. Sales for the Camry, Civic and Accord were up between 3 and 15% M-on-M whereas Model 3 sales were down by nearly 6%
. The cars (noted) ahead of the model 3 totalled ~150,000 sales whereas the Model 3 sold ~13,500. (Note its the Model 3 not M3 - the latter quite rightly belongs to BMW). What does the Ford F series do ~ 75,000 units a month.
http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/us-pass...ures-by-model/
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Back to some fun stats: For the first half of 2019, Model 3 was the #3 car model sold in California - beaten only by Civic and Camry. And Camry was only ahead by a little over 600 cars:
https://insideevs.com/news/365462/te...t-selling-car/
https://insideevs.com/news/365462/te...t-selling-car/
https://cleantechnica.com/2019/08/11...-half-of-2019/
Fun facts - lets do it right
First off in the US - the Camry, Civic, Accord, Sentra, Altima and Elantra were ahead of the Model 3. Sales for the Camry, Civic and Accord were up between 3 and 15% M-on-M whereas Model 3 sales were down by nearly 6% . The cars (noted) ahead of the model 3 totalled ~150,000 sales whereas the Model 3 sold ~13,500. (Note its the Model 3 not M3 - the latter quite rightly belongs to BMW).
What does the Ford F series do ~ 75,000 units a month.
http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/us-pass...ures-by-model/
First off in the US - the Camry, Civic, Accord, Sentra, Altima and Elantra were ahead of the Model 3. Sales for the Camry, Civic and Accord were up between 3 and 15% M-on-M whereas Model 3 sales were down by nearly 6%
. The cars (noted) ahead of the model 3 totalled ~150,000 sales whereas the Model 3 sold ~13,500. (Note its the Model 3 not M3 - the latter quite rightly belongs to BMW).What does the Ford F series do ~ 75,000 units a month.
http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/us-pass...ures-by-model/
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And that's not even a fair comparison. Model 3 is an entry level luxury car the others are not. To compare cars at the same price level Model 3 outsold combined BMW 2/3/4/5 or Merc C/CLS/CLS/E Classes, or Audi A3/A4/A5/A6 in the entire US. That is pretty fun.
https://cleantechnica.com/2019/08/11...-half-of-2019/
https://cleantechnica.com/2019/08/11...-half-of-2019/
Its an electric Camry or Mazda 6 or Honda Accord and thats being charitable.
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It would be even better if that many people are willing to pay $50,000 for NOT a luxury car. Tesla must be doing something very right. And BMW, Audi and Merc must be doing something very wrong that they could not sell their "luxury" cars at the same price.
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And that's not even a fair comparison. Model 3 is an entry level luxury car others are not. To compare cars at the same price level Model 3 outsold combined BMW 2/3/4/5 or Merc C/CLS/CLS/E Classes, or Audi A3/A4/A5/A6 in the entire US. That is pretty fun.
https://cleantechnica.com/2019/08/11...-half-of-2019/
See above. As for pickups Tesla will make one next year. BMW, Merc or Audi will NEVER be able to make one. You really should not bring this up if you are a fan of the later and not the former.
https://cleantechnica.com/2019/08/11...-half-of-2019/
See above. As for pickups Tesla will make one next year. BMW, Merc or Audi will NEVER be able to make one. You really should not bring this up if you are a fan of the later and not the former.
I think you have absolutely no idea in terms of what Merc, Audi, Porsche, Toyota or Honda could build and when they could deliver it.
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47,000 a quarter is more like 15,700 a month. Either way that's more than Porsche has ever sold in a month in the US for all models COMBINED. Try to be a little objective and not keep shooting yourself on the foot.
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And last month the Model 3 sold 13,450 units, down 5.6% lol and the Model S sold 975 units, down 11.3%.
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http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales-data/porsche/
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I was a little too generous. Even at 13,450 units it's still more than twice the sales of all Porsche models combined.
http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales-data/porsche/
http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales-data/porsche/
Good to see "electric Jesus" telling the world the Model 3 is a BMW 3 series beater - its true, and thats no surprise because the Series 3 has been getting worse and worse for years.
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Porsche is a company that makes halo sports cars to induce people buy its bread and butter SUV. Porsche will not be in a good shape if it does not have the Macan and Cayenne. We'll see how Mecan will do next year when Tesla releases the Model Y. Matter of fact I'm also interested to see how top end 911's will do when Tesla releases its gen II Roadster.
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Porsche is a company that makes halo sports cars to induce people buy its bread and butter SUV. Porsche will not be in a good shape if it does not have the Macan and Cayenne. We'll see how Mecan will do next year when Tesla releases the Model Y. Matter of fact I'm also interested to see how top end 911's will do when Tesla releases its gen II Roadster.
I couldn't care less about the gen II roadster unless it was genuinely track capable, reliable and competitive in that environment.
When Tesla have won a few Le Mans or WECs I may take them seriously - until then its all hot air from "electric Jesus" and the TDC
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Have to agree with this; it's not a luxury car. And I own one- a Model 3 Performance. It's an econobox with a great electric powertrain, internet connectivity, a rudimentary autopilot, and a nice big screen.
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Porsche were making sports cars long before it made SUVs - it is renowned for its sports cars.
I couldn't care less about the gen II roadster unless it was genuinely track capable, reliable and competitive in that environment.
When Tesla have won a few Le Mans or WECs I may take them seriously - until then its all hot air from "electric Jesus" and the TDC
I couldn't care less about the gen II roadster unless it was genuinely track capable, reliable and competitive in that environment.
When Tesla have won a few Le Mans or WECs I may take them seriously - until then its all hot air from "electric Jesus" and the TDC
The Gen II Roadster will definitely be track capable. Even the Model 3 is. Not many people care or even know about Le Mans. How many races Bugatti or Koenigsegg had won? People could not afford those supercars but with 8.8 sec 1/4 mile Tesla will sell a lot of Roadsters. Die hard Porsche fans will stick to what they loved but those weekend warrior types, which is majority of the owners, will have no reason not to consider the (relatively) affordable real supercar.
The former is easier to address than the rest. Tesla could probably spend $5K~$10K on each car to make the interior nicer if it wants too. Making great electric powertrain is a much tougher task though.
Last edited by RonF; Aug 20, 2019 at 06:50 PM.
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Not sure what building a Lemans winning car has to do with any of this.