View Poll Results: Would you trade/sell your Spyder or Cayman R for the 981?
Yes, Definitely
9
10.98%
No, Not for Me
53
64.63%
To Early to Say
20
24.39%
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Spyder / Cayman R Owners, Would You Sell to Buy a 981?
#18
Rennlist Member
Spyder is a keeper regardless of what comes along.
That said, I really like the 981 from what I've seen to date - if/when I purchased a 981, it would be "in addition to" my Spyder.
That said, I really like the 981 from what I've seen to date - if/when I purchased a 981, it would be "in addition to" my Spyder.
#19
Rennlist Member
Would I trade the Spyder for an introductory 981 Boxster or Boxster S? Not a chance - heavier, less powerful, more electronics, more expensive - the new cars are a few steps in the wrong direction.
I did vote for 'To [sic.] Early to Say', however, as the poll was not specific to the current 981 offerings. I have a feeling the 981 Cayman will be everything the 991 isn't, and that R (and possible RS) versions will be fantastic drivers' cars.
As has been discussed before, I would be shocked if there isn't a 981 Spyder, however I agree with others that it will be compromised for a wider audience (read: more acceptable roof), and therefore primarily a styling exercise with more power and some GT3 bits.
I did vote for 'To [sic.] Early to Say', however, as the poll was not specific to the current 981 offerings. I have a feeling the 981 Cayman will be everything the 991 isn't, and that R (and possible RS) versions will be fantastic drivers' cars.
As has been discussed before, I would be shocked if there isn't a 981 Spyder, however I agree with others that it will be compromised for a wider audience (read: more acceptable roof), and therefore primarily a styling exercise with more power and some GT3 bits.
#21
981 Spyder?
Any speculation about a 981 Spyder revolves around what kind of innovative new top mechanism could equal, or better, the current one! Our present single-layer canvas 'Bimini Top' weighs only 13 lbs and it's weight saved from a very strategic location, which lowers center of gravity, etc. Thus, the lightweight top (in conjunction with its unique suspension) is probably the single-most important factor in giving a handling edge to the Spyder vs any other 987...but it is also its greatest detraction to increase sales! Without such a lightweight manual top, a future 981 Spyder would be compromising the stellar handling benchmark set by the current 987 Spyder! With such a lightweight manual top, however, it might not sell in the numbers required by PAG to make it worthwhile as a production model! So that might be the conundrum facing Porsche as it decides how, or even if, to build a new Spyder!
We will know in due time if a 981 Spyder will be produced, with or without, any compromises! I do agree with others here that PAG follows certain guidelines in bringing out its 'sportiest' models on any platform. So don't expect another Spyder, if indeed one is to be produced, until near the end of the new 981 model! That indeed will be a very long wait!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
#22
Drifting
Its interesting that everyone seems so negative about the idea of a 981 based Spyder. So far reviews have been very positive about the driving experience of a 981. Before everyone says how perfect the 987 Spyder is, and that they can't possibly make a lighter car etc...just suppose they did build a 981 Spyder that was not just a better car... but a better Spyder! A lighter Spyder with a more powerful engine, lighter easier to use top, better handling and better performance...would you keep your current car or trade it?
#23
Rennlist Member
Its interesting that everyone seems so negative about the idea of a 981 based Spyder. So far reviews have been very positive about the driving experience of a 981. Before everyone says how perfect the 987 Spyder is, and that they can't possibly make a lighter car etc...just suppose they did build a 981 Spyder that was not just a better car... but a better Spyder! A lighter Spyder with a more powerful engine, lighter easier to use top, better handling and better performance...would you keep your current car or trade it?
In the mean time, a 981 Cayman would be next on my list.
#24
Rennlist Member
Its interesting that everyone seems so negative about the idea of a 981 based Spyder. So far reviews have been very positive about the driving experience of a 981. Before everyone says how perfect the 987 Spyder is, and that they can't possibly make a lighter car etc...just suppose they did build a 981 Spyder that was not just a better car... but a better Spyder! A lighter Spyder with a more powerful engine, lighter easier to use top, better handling and better performance...would you keep your current car or trade it?
My guess is that we will start seeing more carbon fiber in the next gen GT3, but now that the 911 no longer shares any body panels with the Boxster, I don't see that the expense will be justified on the 981. The top will have to be heavier than 13lbs to satisfy the critics. And Porsche is clearly continuing to preserve the performance difference between the mid-engined cars and the 911.
So what are we left with? A car that will probably not be as light as the Spyder - which is what makes it magic - and only marginally more powerful. So similar straight-line performance, and alphabet soup of electronics acronyms in the suspension to compensate for added weight and fashionable 20" wheels.
I hope I'm wrong, but that's what my crystal ball is telling me.
#25
Drifting
The 981 is a good looking car, and would be even better with some double-humps on the back. But the problem is, the 981/991 already uses aluminum extensively, the Spyder's 13lb top has been derided by the press, the power increase for the next generation is negligible for all intents and purposes, and the 981 is more expensive.
My guess is that we will start seeing more carbon fiber in the next gen GT3, but now that the 911 no longer shares any body panels with the Boxster, I don't see that the expense will be justified on the 981. The top will have to be heavier than 13lbs to satisfy the critics. And Porsche is clearly continuing to preserve the performance difference between the mid-engined cars and the 911.
So what are we left with? A car that will probably not be as light as the Spyder - which is what makes it magic - and only marginally more powerful. So similar straight-line performance, and alphabet soup of electronics acronyms in the suspension to compensate for added weight and fashionable 20" wheels.
I hope I'm wrong, but that's what my crystal ball is telling me.
My guess is that we will start seeing more carbon fiber in the next gen GT3, but now that the 911 no longer shares any body panels with the Boxster, I don't see that the expense will be justified on the 981. The top will have to be heavier than 13lbs to satisfy the critics. And Porsche is clearly continuing to preserve the performance difference between the mid-engined cars and the 911.
So what are we left with? A car that will probably not be as light as the Spyder - which is what makes it magic - and only marginally more powerful. So similar straight-line performance, and alphabet soup of electronics acronyms in the suspension to compensate for added weight and fashionable 20" wheels.
I hope I'm wrong, but that's what my crystal ball is telling me.
I appreciate your response. The 981 is far from perfect, at least in its earliest version. I really had hoped that the 981S would pump out at least another 30-40hp and more torque. But as you mentioned, Porsche is sticking to their rediculous tradition of preserving the power difference between the mid-engined cars and the base 911. For me its annoying because I have no interest in a 991, I'm not looking for something with a back seat or that is as much of a GT car as the 991.
I understand your concerns about weight, the top, and additional electronic gizmos. These are issus echoed by many Spyder owners in several posts. Still, it presumes that there can't be a better version of the Spyder. My question was ...just suppose they did build a 981 Spyder that was not just a better car... but a better Spyder! A lighter Spyder with a more powerful engine, lighter easier to use top, better handling and better performance...would you keep your current car or trade it?
I can't see Spyder owners trading for a base 981. Also since the 987 Spyder is more track purpose car, I can't see many Spyder owners trading in a Spyder for a 981S (although, maybe some would consider getting a 981S in addition to keeping their 987 Spyder, and use a 981 Spyder as a DD).
But if Porsche, contrary to the predictions of many current Spyder owners, produces an even better Spyder...what would you do? Keep the 987 version or trade it for a new lighter, more powerful Spyder with better handling?
Best regards,
Dino
#27
I couldn't be happier with my entry point for Porsche ownership, a MY2012 Spyder. The hunt for the allocation, the anticipation, trusting only the rants and raves of enthusiasts here and within the media (I didn't see one in person until well after my order), the delivery, and now ownership. For me, it exceeded all my expectations. Because of that, if I'm fortunate to enough to have additional Porsche cars, this one is stays with me!
#28
Rennlist Member
I like "raw" Porsches, and will always have a GT3 in my garage... I am intrigued by the 991 GT3, so can't wait to see it/drive it... But until then, the Spyder is very high on my list. It is already a classic, and will no doubt significantly appreciate in value over the next 10-15 years...
So to the original question - I'd keep the Spyder!
-B
So to the original question - I'd keep the Spyder!
-B
#29
Rennlist Member
My question was ...just suppose they did build a 981 Spyder that was not just a better car... but a better Spyder! A lighter Spyder with a more powerful engine, lighter easier to use top, better handling and better performance...would you keep your current car or trade it?
You have to consider that the 981/991 platform was designed for optimal chassis set-up in conjunction with electric steering assistance, PSM, PASM, PDCC, DEM, and PTV. The 986/996, which is the genesis of our Spyders, did not have any electronic filtering. For Porsche to produce a 981 Spyder in the same vein as the 987, it would have to reverse-engineer all of the chassis electronics out of the car, which I just don't see happening. Especially since they will be faced with the law of diminishing returns with regards to weight reduction.