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Old 09-12-2019, 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by hf1
Wow, how exactly does this wheel straightening work? I thought a wheel, once bent, is basically junk/gone.
In this case, heat to anneal the aluminum making it workable, then various tools that encourage the wheel back to round. There are some good videos on YouTube of the various methods.
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Originally Posted by Suicide Jockey
Glad they could be straightened and you don't have to invest in new wheels (assuming cracks aren't subsequently detected).

We know the 987 Spyder was fitted with the lightest weight wheel in Porsche's arsenal at the time. Now wondering if that lightness doesn't make them more "delicate" and/or prone to coming out of true. I don't think that's the case though as this is the only time I can recall anyone reporting their Spyder wheels being out of whack. More likely the prior owner(s) hit some things (curbs, potholes, etc.) that resulted in this.

Also now wondering if, in the course of conducting a PPI whenever considering the purchase of a used car, it would be advisable to have all four wheels pulled and checked (where possible). Wheel condition could be a good barometer (or at least another meaningful indicator) of how the car was driven and/or what road conditions it was routinely subjected to (although I know there's a limit to how much due diligence one can do when used car shopping, particularly when buying a distant car sight-unseen). Not sure if dealerships or most independents where PPI's are usually conducted have the equipment necessary to check wheels, or if this equipment is usually only found at specialized wheel repair shops (I suspect the later).
All good points. If you look at the first images of the machine output, you will see that the faces of both wheels were acceptably round (Green tick). It was the hoop inner faces that showed the damage. I think the car has hit a pothole and the inner rims have deformed because they don't have the spokes to reinforce them like the outer rims. The force has come via the tire/tyre as a buffer so there are no scrapes etc., The car was last aligned in 2017 and tires/tyres changed then. When I had an alignment done, the front camber was way off. I suspect the previous owner hit a pot hole and later sold the car to the dealer. Whether the dealer should pick this up is a difficult question. They have a good reputation. I don't think they knowingly palmed it off. I'm keeping them informed via the broker. We'll see what they say.

With respect to how the car presents, this appears to be a single incident in nine years and 48,000 miles of operation. The wheels are otherwise unmarked, as is the car. The wheel manufacture dates match the build year. Sure, I'm upset that I have to pay USD 525 to fix the wheels from an incident I didn't cause, but on the bright side I'm grateful I'm not looking at USD 3,200 to have two new wheels landed in New Zealand.

To your final point. If I do this again I will pay to have the wheels spun at a tire/tyre shop as part of the PPI.
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It’s good to hear that the wheels are back to round, hopefully no further issues.

I suspect an impact like that would have caused a bulge in the tires which would require immediate replacement. We had a similar situation recently with the Mercedes and I wonder now if the wheel is out of round since I feel a very slight vibration at speed. The tire shop didn’t mention anything when the tire was changed but I really don’t know if they check for this if the wheel balances out ok. But in your instance one of the wheels did have a small ding which at least may have alerted someone to the issue?

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Old 09-13-2019, 01:29 AM
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Like many things in life, once you have had an issue you become sensitive to it.

In many decades of motoring I've never come across this before. I've only ever looked at the cosmetic face of the wheel. Once I knew there was an issue pointed out to me I could see the damage. You live and learn.
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Originally Posted by Suicide Jockey
Also now wondering if, in the course of conducting a PPI whenever considering the purchase of a used car, it would be advisable to have all four wheels pulled and checked (where possible).
That would certainly be helpful information but probably would increase the price of the PPI another hundy.

Looking at the BEFORE videos, though, has me believing that those wheels would have shown faults to the naked eye just by spinning them on the car with your hand.
Old 09-14-2019, 05:00 AM
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Have you informed 911 Virgin about these faults ? They trade on high standards reputation. If they had missed them they may compensate.
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Originally Posted by Turbo Jonny
Have you informed 911 Virgin about these faults ? They trade on high standards reputation. If they had missed them they may compensate.
I bought through a specialist buyer agent so am one step removed from 911 Virgin. The fact this spent three months travelling to NZ means there was a delay until this was picked up. I have kept the agent informed. On Monday, I will pick up the wheels and pay the bill. I will ask him to put it all to Henry and Co with evidence and cost. Needless to say if I'd bought in the UK this would have been dealt with quickly. I've heard nothing but good things about 911 Virgin.
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Onto a more positive aspect of the car purchase.

Today I had the chance to check out the paint on a Carrara White 997 GTS. It's close to the same age as my Spyder.

The paint on both cars looks original based on thickness readings.
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Old 09-14-2019, 07:37 AM
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With the wheels being fixed I took the 964 to a Porsche Club hill climb. Yes, I like to have music from the engine and the stereo.

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Originally Posted by John McM
With the wheels being fixed I took the 964 to a Porsche Club hill climb. Yes, I like to have music from the engine and the stereo.

https://youtu.be/kSfL6Lok94E
Nice, that looks like fun!

Now I’m curious if PCA does anything like this in our area. I also like music in the background although I do end up lowering the volume when I get into the twists so I can hear the engine and tires better. That is actually another reason I love the Spyder (applies to any convertible), you have that additional aural feedback that lets you keep your stay even more focused on your lines.
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Originally Posted by Marine Blue
Now I’m curious if PCA does anything like this in our area.
Certainly not in California. I recall reading that there are a few PCA-sanctioned hill climb events somewhere in the midwest, but hillclimb has always struck me as a predominantly European thing. Not sure why we don't have more of it here in the U.S. Yes, we do have Pikes Peak and undoubtedly it is the grand daddy of all hillclimbs (Goodwood being hugely popular, but in a different league entirely). Like rally racing, hillclimb has never gained a firm foothold here. Pity!
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The owner of the property we drove on is Rod Millen. He's driven Pikes Peak a few times https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Millen
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Small world! Rod’s Millen Motorsports was a prominent race shop here in So Cal. Believe his son Rhys has now taken over and/or opened his own shop in Huntington Beach.

Makes total sense that Rod would have a hill climb course on his property there It’s great he makes it available for local Porsche club events.
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The man himself during the briefing. A good turn out with 66 cars.
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Wheels are back home. USD 600 to straighten and repaint. If I had kept this all to myself you wouldn't be able to pick the refurbed ones from original.
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