M. Requin

This thread has 928 content because it is specifically about our 928 forum.

I am disturbed by two recent forum "events" that I think are improper: sending Kibort to purdah because he became too garrulous (really, no other reason was adduced), and cutting off a discussion taking place now about the sales of used parts before it got out of hand.

I do not think participants in this forum need a nanny. This is one of the most civil, even in its most contentious moments, of any forum I have belonged to. One has only to remember the BBS wars to realize how really out of hand things can get here on the interweb. So I suggest letting things go their natural course - let the 2nd law do its work - and no intervention will likely be needed to maintain the level of high quality that marks the discourse of all our members.

Respectfully,

supercedar

Thank you Martin!

Bill Ball

Amen.

GT6ixer

What? Kibort is banned again? Oh Danny this isn't Russia. Is this Russia? This isn't Russia is it?

OTR18WHEELER

I sent him a PM a while back and he never replied....
...so whatever...
...he could always reenlist under a Pseudonym...
others have done it, Karen..
...hell, I ain't even made no gretch list yet.

928 DesMoines

I love the whimsical banter here and rarely have I seen any lines of respect/disrespect crossed.


I am surprised and shocked that moderators would exercise that level of control over it's members. Seems unnecessary.


I blame the Obama Administration for this!

Alan

Ah - I don't know - that's was really just Kibort shooting himself in the foot again - usually one person primarily to blame there...

I didn't see any of it because Kibort is the only person I have ever put on ignore - but I don't really need to read any of it to know the gist of what happened... gets old

As to the other... there is prior history - so headed off at the pass is not a bad idea - IMO Erik knew what he was doing.

The OP there was caught in the eye of a storm he just couldn't possibly understand - not fair to let that play out - he thought he was entirely to blame

Alan

dr bob

The mods walk a delicate line between keeping things civil vs letting natural selection work its way. Without knowing specifics, there is usually a series of offenses, not just one particular act, that earns you a RL vacation. By the time a vacation package is awarded, the vacationee is more than aware of what caused it, had an opportunity to avoid it, and chose not to. Vacationees are fully aware of the rules and the steps in the process.

We sometimes forget that we don't own the site, so we sometimes also ASSume that participation is a right rather than a privilege. In the meanwhile, folks who are offended by a thread or a statement made in a post drift off and choose not to participate anymore. More than a few times I look at what's going on, and give myself a posting vacation. I use the ignore list function for a very few people. Once in a while I cave, and read/respond to something that I should not have bothered to read. Almost invariably, I regret that action, as it just reminds me again why I have that person on my ignore list.

Erik, keep up the good work. Moderating a contentious forum is no fun. Over the years things have been pretty civil, at least the part that I see. It could get a lot worse, and I'd rather it didn't. When it does, I'll be on a self-awarded vacation.

OTR18WHEELER

so....Its OK to ban members , that pay a membership fee, just because....
if I owned a "U STORE IT" , and I didn't like what people put in their rental space, I would just lock the gates.
...What's wrong with you people!

Alan

You go too far you get a vacation... not such a bad deal. As Dr Bob says nobody gets a vacation for free - you have to really really work for it...

Let's remember moderation is a very tough job - I'm actually more than happy with the current mods... (and the old mods) - would you really ever want to do that job?
It's a pretty thankless task - but I do thank them all!

Alan

OTR18WHEELER

The OP did not intend to begin a MODs lives matter thread, this is about slashing the thumbs off of all us other people!

Bill Ball

Well, I don't understand why people gets so worked up over then things Kibort writes or Lart, for that matter. Ignore it or disagree and let it go. Lighten up. The only things I would think deserve a ban or vacation are personal insults, threats, or racial/gender epithets. Oh, add illegal activities. Whatever, there ought to be some written guidelines about this rather than relying on arbitrary rulings. Some people who have disagreed with Mark have written some pretty cruel personal insults. People seem so insistent that Mark admit his views are wrong, that they can't just let it go after a few tries, but instead veer off into belittling insults, and perhaps at times, Mark has done the same. If so, vacations or bans are an appropriate response to that. Yes, it would be nice if Mark would back off at times and express more gratitude for the well intended advice others offer. Nice but not required.

FredR

Anything that has human involvement needs regulation and as I am concerned Eric is doing a sterling job given he cannot possibly please everyone all the time and we should be grateful for his considered inputs irrespective of whether we agree with them or not given he may well be aware of circumstances and events that the mass populace are not privvy to.

In the case of Mark simply put he is the ultimate enthusiast [in the racing sense] and would probably be the last person on the list to win a Concours event. That being said, with some 28k posts to his credit, even if half of them were of questionable value that still leaves a big contribution. As with many enthusiasts Mark gets a bit carried away at times and I can see why some may be exasperated on occasion but I do believe the list would be decidedly less "colourful" without him and I would politely encourage Eric to ensure Mark's vacation is not too long. Similarly, I would encourage Mark to reflect on events in a positive manner and come back all the wiser for the experience.

Rgds

Fred

medipedicman

Thanks Martin for bringing this up. I don't follow the Kibbort thing because I rarely have interest in any of the thread topics that end up getting contentious.
I do follow most of the buy/sell/trade threads because I am always in the market for a good deal and usually just end up attaching a value to all the 928 crap that I already have,lol.

The one thing that I find curious is the desire to have an absolute declaration of someones "goodness" or "badness" based on "YOUR" one time personal experience. I guess over the years we can all see patterns develop with certain posters but as a consumer of information I would prefer to hear of someones experience with a seller or vendor, even if bad and file that away in my memory banks and take that into consideration with any future dealings with an individual or supplier. I don't need a flaming thread title declaring with absolute certainty that someone is a fraud just because someones knickers got twisted.

It is fun to read the "Stan's appreciation" thread or the "Roger is the best" thread. It allows multiple posters to express feelings of gratitude for an individual and even share a story or two. I think I remember starting a "I love Charley B." thread back in the day. I weigh all of those positive comments over many many years against what someone else might say in the future.

I have only been disappointed a couple of times with transactions that started on Rennlist. I guess we all have different thresholds for the line between disappointed and burned. As a hobbyist my threshold is probably lower than most.

Rennlist and it's posters and personalities are the only reason I am still in 928's


Keep up the good work !!!!!

Gretch

The Mod job on this forum is not the easiest one here, by any stretch. Erik does a good job AFAIAC and it appears others agree. One other thing you guys may not know is the mods and Admin talk about these actions in the mod forum. Erik uses that forum to help guide him to a fair outcome.

Yeah, it is not a democracy. However, there are rules that even the mods hold themselves to about longer term vacations and exclusions from certain forums.......

As several of the guys above have pointed out............ don't be a special, obnoxious, snowflake, antisocial attention *****, jackwagon, or break the obvious rules of civility and all will be well in 928 land.

"Moderators", a group of affectionados who DONATE their time to this site, (knowing full well plenty will take pot shots at them), because they care. Generally a thankless job. You are welcome.