Randy V

Hilarious to see a post by Gretch in the 928 forum. Dude used to be a 928 enthusiast, but years of rennlist moderating have turned him into a moderating enthusiast only. He does love it so.

He has a hardon for me and doesn't realize I gave him his Range Master designation. I'm with him every day.

Speedtoys

They also walk a commercial line with the site owners...


And lets be honest, use censorship when appropriate, it's not appropriate to use that term here.

It's not a public forum.

Fogey1

Of course it can be apt, you're confusing simple censorship with issues around the First Amendment.

Non-governmental entities can and do censor within the realm over which they have power, but censorship by a private entity does not implicate the First Amendment.

When a private entity tries to get the state to enforce their censorship, that's a 1st Amendment issue - and a fairly common occurrence.

Speedtoys

No..im not.

This is a private forum, and is not preventing you from airing your 1st amendment rights, in public, or on your OWN private forum.

There is no "state" here.

SeanR

First Amendment prohibits the government from doing something. Has nothing to do with what a forum can or can't do.

Bill Ball

This thread now belongs in OT.

Speedtoys

Don't you oppress me Bill.

Fogey1

Either I'm missing your point or we're saying the same thing.

My point is that censorship exists on Rennlist but there's no state here and, therefore, there's no 1st Amendment issue.

As an example of Rennlist censorship, one is not allowed to post nude pix in the "I'd Hit It" thread without consequence.

As for Bill Ball, his relentless aggression against and oppression of other Rennlist members and users MUST STOP!!!

Speedtoys

Censorship does not exist on RL, because censorship is not apropos to private forums.

The owners of a private forum can do anything they want, and incur no legal penalties for saying shut up, or deleting your messages.

Censorship is not how you feel about it, but a clear direct legal issue.

"Censorship is the suppression of free speech, public communication or other information which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by governments, media outlets, authorities or other groups or institutions."

IB/Mods kicking people out, removing posts, is within the legal rights of a private organization..and they're not keeping you from anything..the person or material removed from RL, can be posted on that persons own WWW page or their own forum, freely...publicly.

linderpat

Hear Hear!

It has devolved from entertainment to mindless pointless drivel, as do many threads in OT and PAC

hwyengr

To drive this even further into OT:

That is 100% true, but what's troubling is that more and more of the world is becoming privatized, so there's less and less protection for basic 'freedoms'.

Jerry Feather

That is a contradiction if I ever saw one. If there were no government there would be complete freedom. The main purpose of government is to limit freedom. The more of that we get the less free we become. Take the results of the 9-11 disaster as the greatest recent example. How free do you feel now trying to fly commercially, or even privately for that matter. I can't even get into my airplane hangar without a gate pass, and now I have to pay annually for that. I used to be free to just drive to the airport and unlock the gate and drive over to my Hangar. Now, with more government . . . . .

dr bob

A pretty substantial portion of the world's media outlets are private. Most "public" outlets have sponsors who define limits on what they will allow on "their" sponsored outlets. Everyone has a message to share. Finding the "right" outlet that will host your message may not be a challenge at all. Find one that will host it .and. has sufficient target audience for your message can be the challenge.

Facebook, Twitter, etc, are modern popular conduits for your messages, ASSuming you can find followers who might share your views, of course, and that they can somehow discover and like your messages enough to subscribe.

The wild wild west of this stuff is still usenet. Anybody here use (or remember...) usenet? It's a very early threaded messaging system that supports threaded discussion, segregated by theme and then subject. Google has assumed the task of maintaining usenet and its archives as "Google Groups", so it can now be accessed using a browser, rather than a dedicated bit of "reader" software that simpllified the organization of the threads and content.

Usenet still exists, and I suspect that whatever particular message you want to share can find a home and an audience somewhere in the usenet universe. Like Rennlist, it's relatively anonymous. Unlike Rennlist, it's pretty much self-censoring. That has it's positives in that you can post whatever you want. You need to be ready for the responses however, which can quickly get vicious and seem personal if your messages aren't to the theme and subject being discussed. I recommend that folks who feel the RL is too restrictive go give usenet a try.

hwyengr

Sigh. You mean less of the government that built your municipal airport? Or funds commercial airports? FAA landing fees don't come close to covering expenditures, so don't kid yourself into believing that's it's all paid for by user fees.

Good luck voting out the CEO of whatever corporation ends up buying the rest of your municipal assets in the next 10-20 years.

Shawn Stanford

Now, now: You're both very pretty.

Technically, 'censorship' refers only to an official act of suppression. However, the vernacular is that it applies to any act of suppression. While the technical definition is technically correct (which is the best kind of correct), it isn't the one that most people recognize. So, correcting non-technical use is, well, a waste of time.

Sort of like me, as a programmer, pointing out that a megabyte is not 1,000,000 bytes. It doesn't matter to anyone who isn't familiar with computers in a technical way.