mark kibort

no, they went to the same school.... just ride it out in neutral!!

Veloce Raptor

Mark, Laguna and COTA are not Sebring T7, which has gotten significantly bumpier in the last 18 months.

You can continue to spew dangerous nonsense and be a generally obnoxious tool, per your usual behavior patterns here, but the fact of the matter is that even a super skilled multiple downshift at THAT location on THAT track at THAT speed has a high likelihood of disaster.

Peter knows this. Frank and I know this and both of us witnessed what Frank described there. Many others familiar with Sebring know this. And the driver in this video, who is also a seasoned pro (unlike you) knew this.

You do not. By all means, continue embarrassing yourself.

mark kibort

you mean to tell me, a race car driver cant downshift and deal with a few bumps and keep the car straight? what school is training these drivers? oh.... peter? i see!

just an FYI.... you get that car in to 3rd gear (which might only be one down shift for this guy) and you have 200ftlbs of torque available at near 5000rpm, multiplied through 3rd gear which would be around 5:1 thats, 1000ft-lbs of torque on both wheels, or 500lbs (each tire) of force decelerating the car at the limit of the rear tires and an ABS like force as well. it would almost stop the car in short order. try it sometime at the track. you dont coast for a half of a mile as you would if you leave the car in neutral and "see how far you go".

There, i thougth you would enjoy some "mind boggling" math this AM Dave!

the net net .... always do blip downshifts if you lose your brakes... even at turn 7 at sebring!

Veloce Raptor

Your ignorance of that track, like so many other things you pontificate on, boggles the mind.

Bye!

PS: to everyone else reading this who drives or will drive Sebring...DONT DO THIS IN T7 if you have comprehensive brake failure . Please.

mark kibort

bumpy has NOTHING to do with putting the car in a lower gear and NOT leaving the car in neutral , bumpy or not. go ask someone that knows something about high speed car control Dave!
it is YOU that is embarrasing yourself here. what I am advocating , is the safest method for brake failure, PERiOD! no excptions!
no... downshifts there would have NO effect on keeping the under control, infact, would give more control for obvious reasons (maybe not to you)
It is you that is being a TOOL here, dave. please, dummmy up before posting more nonsense on the subject.
In fact, even if the driver just left it in gear, he would have been 10x safer. he didnt and thats why he had such a dramatic finish and almost could have killed someone!!!
there is NO chance of "disaster"" dave, for doing a couple of downshifts after brake failure, you wold be doing a downshift anyway for this approach.

you are reflecting on your experience. remember your braking failure caused you to end up in the sand trap.. mine caused no visible problem ..i was able to drive on.... why?? technique my friend..the proof is in the technique and results from the same event. you spin or beach the car... i drive on safely... what technique should you share with others??

mark kibort

Now, thats not the advice here now is it? popping the clutch is a bad idea. blip downshifts are entirely different set of techniques!

TXE36

Also, I'm surprised nobody posted the obligatory "That will buff out.". I imaging the fence did a number on the paint on the front clip while at the same time helped keep him off the public two lane blacktop.

-Mike

mark kibort

Yeah,just listen to dave! just coast out the side gate and hope you dont run over someone! pleeeezzzz!!!!

yes, please listen! do a quick downshift, maybe two.... be patient and leave the car in gear.... thats the advice. and it is sound! but, do NOT coast in neutral!!

DTMiller

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TXE36

Oh, look. Another Kiborted thread. How refreshing.

-Mike

linzman

With the incredible intelligence you have displayed here and the above and beyond talent you obviously have, it's a true wonder you are not driving a Merc in F1

ProCoach

It was a Nissan V-6... Glad he wasn't hurt.

flatsics

I know this has turned into a childish argument with Kibort, but this is a serious subject.

I just don't think that you can just so easily say that downshifting,spinning,or purposefully crashing into the tires is not the best course of action sometimes.

Was Johnny O wrong?

ProCoach

On the 'Vette, the left front rotor exploded.

You can see it in the video.

That meant the right front brake worked and the left front did NOT.

That began the car spinning to the right (clockwise, looking from above), pivoting the car on the functioning right front SLOWING tire.

Johnny O said initially on the radio that the "right front brake blew up," but it was the left front rotor that exploded.

While Johnny O surely helped slow the car any way he could (going down through the gears, I can GUARANTEE you he wasn't "blipping"), the spin that slowed the car was begun by the failure and the dynamics OF the failure, not by the driver...

I love him to death, and there are very few drivers with the "heart" of Johnny O, but this was not "fine driving" that caused the damage to be less, it was automatic response after the failure and loss of control started it...

Carrera51

I won't second guess what the driver did in the few seconds he had to react since I don't have all the facts and never will unless he decides to share them. Bottom line is that no one was injured.

It almost sounds like the car shut off. Listen closely to the video. Once he stops at the entrance to the Chateau, it sounds like he fires the car back up before driving through the parking lot.

*Listening watching it again and using my fancy Apple earbuds for audio, there are several seconds where I don't hear the V8 rumble at idle indicating the clutch was in. Sounds like three attempts to re-fire the car during the whole sequence of events.