2005 997 at WFC. 2003 996 at pFaff.
#16
#17
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
Went to go look at the 997.
Hvac contols have lost all their paint as has the interior door handle surround.
Ive had cars for 250 k km that didnt show that much wear.
Hvac contols have lost all their paint as has the interior door handle surround.
Ive had cars for 250 k km that didnt show that much wear.
#18
Ouch.
Is this common in the 997?
Is this common in the 997?
#19
The HVAC paint peeling on 05-06 997.1 models were very common.
I repainted my own for $5.00 and removal of the HVAC unit was very simple. Looked as good as new again...
You should test drive both cars and let that decide what model you enjoy most. Then have a PPI/compression test arranged afterwards and a borescope inspection on the 997.
Good Luck.
I repainted my own for $5.00 and removal of the HVAC unit was very simple. Looked as good as new again...
You should test drive both cars and let that decide what model you enjoy most. Then have a PPI/compression test arranged afterwards and a borescope inspection on the 997.
Good Luck.
#20
The car was priced at $35K 2 weeks ago...So I'm sure there is wiggle room.
So, next question. What's a full rebuild/replace going to cost me if the IMS fails?
So, based on all the internet reading, this is my only hold back. I've seen estimates as low as $8k to as high as $25K.
What's real world rebuild, in Toronto, going to cost. Obviously it's not a set cost but a ballpark.
I came across a British website that ballparks estimates at between 3500 to 8000 pounds. I certainly would be comfortable with that.
I'm not too comfortable doing a potential $25K rebuild on a $25K car.
So, next question. What's a full rebuild/replace going to cost me if the IMS fails?
So, based on all the internet reading, this is my only hold back. I've seen estimates as low as $8k to as high as $25K.
What's real world rebuild, in Toronto, going to cost. Obviously it's not a set cost but a ballpark.
I came across a British website that ballparks estimates at between 3500 to 8000 pounds. I certainly would be comfortable with that.
I'm not too comfortable doing a potential $25K rebuild on a $25K car.
Having a dealer do it? So much that its not even close to worth it IMO.
not only do you need to worry about the IMS on the 996, but I would be getting the cylinders bore scoped on the 996 and 997. My opinion is this is an even bigger issue than faulty IMSB's.
But I'm also a very jaded owner.
#21
Pro
my quote was 25k at hunter to rebulid mine, including re and re. I had the ims/rms done, the motor still grenaded. I changed the oil every 5k, kept the car fully maintained.
Call Brent at Hunter and ask him what he thinks of m86/early m97 engines. Better yet drop by his shop and see 5-8 sitting there. Google Jake Raby and check out his site and info.
Save some extra and get a 996 Turbo. Amazing car.
Call Brent at Hunter and ask him what he thinks of m86/early m97 engines. Better yet drop by his shop and see 5-8 sitting there. Google Jake Raby and check out his site and info.
Save some extra and get a 996 Turbo. Amazing car.
#24
As far as the peeling paint goes, I just bought a 996 cab with a black interior that is pretty mint. However I did look at other cars with grey or tan interiors that had peeling issues. I think black is the molded color of the plastic so it is much more durable. Unfortunately the black interiors are kind of rare and hard to find.
#25
Drifting
If you're willing to reach back in age to a 996 but are justifiably concerned about some of the potential repairs, I'd take a look at 996 Turbos.
Amazing performance value per dollar. Not impacted by IMS. They have some of their own jiggles like 2nd gear popout but you'll be able to find one where it's been addressed.
By by the time you fix the IMS in NA 996, your at 996TT money and have the lesser car.
Amazing performance value per dollar. Not impacted by IMS. They have some of their own jiggles like 2nd gear popout but you'll be able to find one where it's been addressed.
By by the time you fix the IMS in NA 996, your at 996TT money and have the lesser car.
#26
Race Car
I agree with Bio...
996 Turbos are the best bang for your buck right now.
996 Turbos are the best bang for your buck right now.
#27
A decent 996 is mid high 20's, then budget 3k for the ims if you want the security that it's done.
#28
Pro
then you still have an engine with all the other issues (scoring etc) and still roll the dice.
I agree the price point differential on the TT cars is substantial now.
I agree the price point differential on the TT cars is substantial now.
#29
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
Well, thanks a lot for all the info. I've been reading a bunch about this. I missed the boat on the air cooled ones and figured that a clean 996 would give me the Porsche experience.
After all the reading on this forum and all over the interwebs, this will not be a good fit. I read one post where a guy was afraid to drive his car out of fear the motor would grenade.
Any newer 911 has too many nanny devices so no interest at all.
I'll be staying with my 1985 original paint mustang that I've done a ton of performance and comfort upgrades to.
The 911 was my bucket list car. It's coming off the list.
I'll keep admiring you guys at artisano bakery. (I live a few blocks away).
After all the reading on this forum and all over the interwebs, this will not be a good fit. I read one post where a guy was afraid to drive his car out of fear the motor would grenade.
Any newer 911 has too many nanny devices so no interest at all.
I'll be staying with my 1985 original paint mustang that I've done a ton of performance and comfort upgrades to.
The 911 was my bucket list car. It's coming off the list.
I'll keep admiring you guys at artisano bakery. (I live a few blocks away).
#30
Sorry to hear you decided to not give Porsche a chance.
The guy where you read about him not wanting to drive his car out of fear is a bit extreme, and in my opinion, is no way to live. These cars are meant to be driven and enjoyed. Hope you can give Porsche another shot another day. Best of luck.
The guy where you read about him not wanting to drive his car out of fear is a bit extreme, and in my opinion, is no way to live. These cars are meant to be driven and enjoyed. Hope you can give Porsche another shot another day. Best of luck.