breakfast

because in grey the 997 electronics/dash looks atrocious. really bad and over crowded.

steam_mill

Went to go look at the 997.

Hvac contols have lost all their paint as has the interior door handle surround.

Ive had cars for 250 k km that didnt show that much wear.

bcrdukes

Ouch.

Is this common in the 997?

REDTURBO

The HVAC paint peeling on 05-06 997.1 models were very common.
I repainted my own for $5.00 and removal of the HVAC unit was very simple. Looked as good as new again...

You should test drive both cars and let that decide what model you enjoy most. Then have a PPI/compression test arranged afterwards and a borescope inspection on the 997.
Good Luck.

AWDGuy

DIY on a flat 6 with nickies is ~$20k. You will spend about 3k on bolts alone.

Having a dealer do it? So much that its not even close to worth it IMO.

not only do you need to worry about the IMS on the 996, but I would be getting the cylinders bore scoped on the 996 and 997. My opinion is this is an even bigger issue than faulty IMSB's.

But I'm also a very jaded owner.

Hyper911

my quote was 25k at hunter to rebulid mine, including re and re. I had the ims/rms done, the motor still grenaded. I changed the oil every 5k, kept the car fully maintained.
Call Brent at Hunter and ask him what he thinks of m86/early m97 engines. Better yet drop by his shop and see 5-8 sitting there. Google Jake Raby and check out his site and info.

Save some extra and get a 996 Turbo. Amazing car.

vern1

A full rebuild with a nickie resleeve by LN will be more than $25k

peritus

Re: 996 interior, there are some pretty slick iPad mini installs available that look clean and can bring the technology to current standards.

Cosmo Kramer

As far as the peeling paint goes, I just bought a 996 cab with a black interior that is pretty mint. However I did look at other cars with grey or tan interiors that had peeling issues. I think black is the molded color of the plastic so it is much more durable. Unfortunately the black interiors are kind of rare and hard to find.

BioBanker

If you're willing to reach back in age to a 996 but are justifiably concerned about some of the potential repairs, I'd take a look at 996 Turbos.

Amazing performance value per dollar. Not impacted by IMS. They have some of their own jiggles like 2nd gear popout but you'll be able to find one where it's been addressed.

By by the time you fix the IMS in NA 996, your at 996TT money and have the lesser car.

CamsPorsche

I agree with Bio...

996 Turbos are the best bang for your buck right now.

Cosmo Kramer

I agree with the bang for the buck, but price isn't even close to a regular 996. Cheapest turbo listed in Ontario right now is 38k with 218000 kms and it's an automatic. Everything else is north of 50k.

A decent 996 is mid high 20's, then budget 3k for the ims if you want the security that it's done.

Hyper911

then you still have an engine with all the other issues (scoring etc) and still roll the dice.
I agree the price point differential on the TT cars is substantial now.

steam_mill

Well, thanks a lot for all the info. I've been reading a bunch about this. I missed the boat on the air cooled ones and figured that a clean 996 would give me the Porsche experience.

After all the reading on this forum and all over the interwebs, this will not be a good fit. I read one post where a guy was afraid to drive his car out of fear the motor would grenade.

Any newer 911 has too many nanny devices so no interest at all.

I'll be staying with my 1985 original paint mustang that I've done a ton of performance and comfort upgrades to.

The 911 was my bucket list car. It's coming off the list.

I'll keep admiring you guys at artisano bakery. (I live a few blocks away).

bcrdukes

Sorry to hear you decided to not give Porsche a chance.

The guy where you read about him not wanting to drive his car out of fear is a bit extreme, and in my opinion, is no way to live. These cars are meant to be driven and enjoyed. Hope you can give Porsche another shot another day. Best of luck.