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Old 04-26-2023, 12:10 PM
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Keeps getting better... lol

https://driving.ca/auto-news/driver-...your-whole-car
Old 04-26-2023, 12:33 PM
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And somehow we are supposed to trust what the insurance companies tell us? LOL. Remember the insurance company that published a fake video of an EV catching on fire?

I will grant that insurance companies have a fear of the unknown and have jacked their premiums which is exactly why Tesla got into the insurance business.
Old 04-26-2023, 02:16 PM
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Was reading an article recently on the weight of EVs in relation to collisions with pedestrians and the resulting injuries from a vehicle with much higher weight. Along with associated crumple zones etc.

Interesting considerations that aren't really known or discussed.
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A Tesla Model 3 weighs between 1612-1831 Kgs depending on options.
The closest comparable Toyota model ICE vehicle is the Camry that weighs between 1590-1620 Kgs. Not a big difference IMHO.

The most popular car in North America used to be the Ford F150 ICE which weighs in at 1824-2274 Kgs. Food for thought.
Old 04-26-2023, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by No_snivelling
The most popular car in North America used to be the Ford F150 ICE which weighs in at 1824-2274 Kgs. Food for thought.
F-150 Lightening has a curb weight of 2,728 to 3,127 kg. This is best compared to the equivalently equipped F-150 ICE, from your post is 1824-2274 kgs.

We're not comparing F-150 to a Tesla Model 3.
Old 04-26-2023, 02:31 PM
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You missed my point. If we are debating the greatest danger to pedestrians being struck by cars, then it is relevant to compare what is (or was) the most popular car in North American. If one is so concerned about weight causing greater injuries then why are we not banning pickup trucks that are used as grocery getters?

Also I have shown that comparing an EV sedan to an ICE sedan shows very little weight difference. IMHO if you track the source of negative EV articles you will likely find a link to fossil fuel companies who are deathly afraid of the future.
Old 04-26-2023, 03:14 PM
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Maybe I missed a few posts but the weight of the car is irrelevant in a pedestrian-vehicle collision. Even the force from the lightest car transferred to a pedestrian is sufficient to kill. Anything over that makes no difference.
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Old 04-26-2023, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by LastMezger
Maybe I missed a few posts but the weight of the car is irrelevant in a pedestrian-vehicle collision. Even the force from the lightest car transferred to a pedestrian is sufficient to kill. Anything over that makes no difference.
Don't know. Not here to enter the discourse on the topic. Rather pointing out a topic I read recently. Here are some articles. It's also related to heavier vehicles colliding with lighter ones. EVs are heavier.

https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/as-...drag-on-safety

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/01...r-heavier-evs/

https://www.npr.org/2023/01/11/11484...s-safety-risks
Old 04-26-2023, 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by SToronto
Don't know. Not here to enter the discourse on the topic. Rather pointing out a topic I read recently. Here are some articles. It's also related to heavier vehicles colliding with lighter ones. EVs are heavier.

https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/as-...drag-on-safety

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/01...r-heavier-evs/

https://www.npr.org/2023/01/11/11484...s-safety-risks
Definitely an issue car-to-car.

One that's been increasing since the popularity of large trucks and SUVS. It's why we have a large SUV.
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Originally Posted by No_snivelling
A Tesla Model 3 weighs between 1612-1831 Kgs depending on options.
The closest comparable Toyota model ICE vehicle is the Camry that weighs between 1590-1620 Kgs. Not a big difference IMHO.

The most popular car in North America used to be the Ford F150 ICE which weighs in at 1824-2274 Kgs. Food for thought.
Tesla Model 3 is designed with pedestrian protect in mind like all cars and having a lower hood line helps. Pick up trucks use the light truck loophole to escape pedestrian impact protection

a large factor in pedestrian impacts is speed. Lower speeds in a CAR the better outcome and you will prob end up on the hood. The outcome is worse with higher speeds… there are a couple YouTube videos on the subject. If you get hit by a pick up at 30kph with a flat front it’s similar to a car at 50kph, but you will end up under it. Same for SUVs

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Originally Posted by Pags993
There isn’t much in that article lots of FUD but some facts … the Tesla packs aren’t serviceable because it’s filled with a dense pink foam. We are still in the infancy of EVs and I assume insurance companies don’t want to take the risk with a damaged pack

Insurance companies scrap cars all the time. But EV gets scrapped because of possible battery damage and it’s “****ing EVs” they’ll scrap a bmw if the engine was damaged too.

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So not wearing blinders as so many people do, I like to get the facts and this after reading...
As of January 2023, Tesla offers insurance in Arizona, California, Colorado, Illinois, Maryland, Minnesota, Nevada, Ohio, Oregon, Texas, Utah and Virginia.
Why is Tesla offering insurance in those states? You gotta love Musk's comment at the end of the first paragraph.
On June 4, 2017, the American Automobile Associationraised insurance rates for Tesla owners following a report from the Highway Loss Data Institute.The report concluded that the Model S crashes 46% more often and is 50% more expensive to repair than comparable vehicles.Similarly, the Model X was concluded to crash 41% more often and to be 89% more expensive to repair than similar vehicles. As a result, AAA raised insurance rates on Tesla cars by 30%.Tesla said that the analysis is "severely flawed and not reflective of reality", however, Tesla failed to provide any contradictory numbers. Shortly thereafter, Russ Rader, the spokesman for the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, confirmed the AAA's analysis and that "Teslas get into a lot of crashes and are costly to repair afterward". The following year, an analysis of claim frequency and insurance cost data by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety conducted by financial research provider 24/7 Wall St. found that the Tesla Model S and Model X were the two most expensive vehicles to insure. Musk stated that he expects these insurance rates will greatly decrease once driver-assist and self-driving technology become commonplace.

Starting in October 2017, Tesla partnered with Liberty Mutual Insurance Companyto offer US customers an insurance plan designed specifically for Tesla cars.In August 2019, this partnership was superseded by a partnership with State National Insurance,but was initially only available to Tesla owners in California. In July 2020, Musk, relying on data obtained through the partnership with State National Insurance, announced that Tesla was creating its own "major" insurance company.Tesla claims the insurance uses individual vehicle data to offer personalized pricing.

As of January 2023, Tesla offers insurance in Arizona, California, Colorado, Illinois, Maryland, Minnesota, Nevada, Ohio, Oregon, Texas, Utah and Virginia.
But that is down there, not up here in Canada, so I called my insurance company. All with the same full coverage and this based on not driving to work (I'm retired) and low annual mileage. I'd hate to see the rate if I drove to work and drove 20K kms a year.

Tesla Model 3 Long Range: $1529.
Porsche 991.1 Carrera 4 GTS: $971.
Acura RDX: $633.

I can buy a lot of gas for the $896 in my daily driver insurance.
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Old 04-27-2023, 02:25 PM
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I'm just a month into EV ownership...

According to the BMW app, I'm averaging 19.8kWh/100km. That's $1.86/100km of electricity . 99% of my charging is off-peak at home @ 9.4¢/kWh (that's including delivery charge, can't remember if that's including HST)
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Originally Posted by petee_c
I'm just a month into EV ownership...

According to the BMW app, I'm averaging 19.8kWh/100km. That's $1.86/100km of electricity . 99% of my charging is off-peak at home @ 9.4¢/kWh (that's including delivery charge, can't remember if that's including HST)
For the geeks:
You have: 19800 watt hour / 100 km
You want: lbf
* 160.24381
/ 0.0062404905
Old 04-27-2023, 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by dml
For the geeks:
You have: 19800 watt hour / 100 km
You want: lbf
* 160.24381
/ 0.0062404905
huh?

lbf = pound force (says google)


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