Crash: Instructor braces himself with his feet on the dash.
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Some tough crowd here on the guy and the instructor.
Video shows well that once you exceeded the grip, turning the wheel does nothing. I wonder if he had unwound it a bit instead of keep cranking if his car would turn more at some point.
Surprised nobody (or maybe I missed) commented on letting the wheel go before the impact to preserve your wrists. The driver is holding onto the wheel for dear life instead of bracing for impact.
I still don't get the point of putting feet (and hands) on the dash with harnesses on (unless they are not 5-6pt). Seems like a good way to break an ankle or knee or wrist.
Here is me 3 years ago in the same turn...pardon for instructor yelling two feet in as I'm tank slapping a bit.
Video shows well that once you exceeded the grip, turning the wheel does nothing. I wonder if he had unwound it a bit instead of keep cranking if his car would turn more at some point.
Surprised nobody (or maybe I missed) commented on letting the wheel go before the impact to preserve your wrists. The driver is holding onto the wheel for dear life instead of bracing for impact.
I still don't get the point of putting feet (and hands) on the dash with harnesses on (unless they are not 5-6pt). Seems like a good way to break an ankle or knee or wrist.
Here is me 3 years ago in the same turn...pardon for instructor yelling two feet in as I'm tank slapping a bit.
Last edited by NYC993; 05-25-2017 at 08:04 AM.
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Listen to what Danica says about this turn at 1:05
https://youtu.be/lWscth4N2yg?t=1m5s
https://youtu.be/lWscth4N2yg?t=1m5s
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1:33.291 was the pole time. Fast lap was Alan Jones' Williams at a mid 1:34
I think the F1 cars would be a few seconds quicker than the Indy cars, a lot lighter, better aero and tires.
Scott Dixon's IRL pole was a 1:22.526 last year, WITH the inner loop.
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Some tough crowd here on the guy and the instructor.
Video shows well that once you exceeded the grip, turning the wheel does nothing. I wonder if he had unwound it a bit instead of keep cranking if his car would turn more at some point.
Surprised nobody (or maybe I missed) commented on letting the wheel go before the impact to preserve your wrists. The driver is holding onto the wheel for dear life instead of bracing for impact.
I still don't get the point of putting feet (and hands) on the dash with harnesses on (unless they are not 5-6pt). Seems like a good way to break an ankle or knee or wrist.
Here is me 3 years ago in the same turn...pardon for instructor yelling two feet in as I'm tank slapping a bit.
https://youtu.be/YPq_YkyGyts
Video shows well that once you exceeded the grip, turning the wheel does nothing. I wonder if he had unwound it a bit instead of keep cranking if his car would turn more at some point.
Surprised nobody (or maybe I missed) commented on letting the wheel go before the impact to preserve your wrists. The driver is holding onto the wheel for dear life instead of bracing for impact.
I still don't get the point of putting feet (and hands) on the dash with harnesses on (unless they are not 5-6pt). Seems like a good way to break an ankle or knee or wrist.
Here is me 3 years ago in the same turn...pardon for instructor yelling two feet in as I'm tank slapping a bit.
https://youtu.be/YPq_YkyGyts
letting go of the wheel is a nascar , indy thing. that doesnt really apply to the cars we drive in frontal impacts. cars are too stiff. steering column rarely moves . did you see the video of the head on collision crash test of the old challenger vs new? usually in frontal crashes, the entire passenger compartment is in tact.
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I attended this event (BMW Patroon/NY/DelVal regions), held right before Cups and Saucers. Saw the wreck towed in, shocked as many here at how it folded.
The explanation in the paddock (I won't confuse this with Gospel Truth) was that there were brake issues on day 1, driver tried to remedy, day 2 brakes were lost altogether leading to the straight off without perceptible deceleration.
No comment on the video, just offering some possible context. Looked scary and glad both driver and instructor were safe after all.
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The explanation in the paddock (I won't confuse this with Gospel Truth) was that there were brake issues on day 1, driver tried to remedy, day 2 brakes were lost altogether leading to the straight off without perceptible deceleration.
No comment on the video, just offering some possible context. Looked scary and glad both driver and instructor were safe after all.
Cheers
Matt
the car just did not respond to steering inputs as though the brakes were locked up. another indicator was the quick wiggle at the start seemingly caused by the rear brakes grabbing, and maybe the fronts not ?
we all are so quick to judge because of so many folks that have stacked their cars and blamed " no brakes, brake failure" when in fact, most are just lock up or other mistakes". one thing for sure, as i have said many times, you always should be going through a gear or two if you lose the brakes, CERTAINLY leaving it in gear for some engine deceleration braking forces on the rear wheel. practice it sometimes... it really works. it saved my car at laguna turn 2.
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So, Bruno Giacomelli's Alfa Romeo 179C V-12 car was quickest in Friday and Saturday's sessions at the last US GP at the Glen in 1980. This was with NO inner loop and a straight shot up and over the crest, down into and through T5.
1:33.291 was the pole time. Fast lap was Alan Jones' Williams at a mid 1:34
I think the F1 cars would be a few seconds quicker than the Indy cars, a lot lighter, better aero and tires.
Scott Dixon's IRL pole was a 1:22.526 last year, WITH the inner loop.
1:33.291 was the pole time. Fast lap was Alan Jones' Williams at a mid 1:34
I think the F1 cars would be a few seconds quicker than the Indy cars, a lot lighter, better aero and tires.
Scott Dixon's IRL pole was a 1:22.526 last year, WITH the inner loop.
Don't forget that in the late 70s there was a chicane in the esses just before the back straight. I'd guess in terms of impact to lap times it might have been a wash compared to the bus stop.