Crash: Instructor braces himself with his feet on the dash.
#2
Rennlist Member
Can't see the video (cant wait to get home so I can).... but if your description is accurate:
Bracing feet on dash only works if you also grab onto the outside of the door with your arm for support...
Bracing feet on dash only works if you also grab onto the outside of the door with your arm for support...
#3
Rennlist Member
You learn that in the higher levels of the MSF instructor program.
I think this is the instructor "levels" chart, but I'm not positive as it's a fairly new program.
I think this is the instructor "levels" chart, but I'm not positive as it's a fairly new program.
#4
Banned
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Chicagoland Area
Posts: 26,141
Likes: 0
Received 5,414 Likes
on
2,517 Posts
Dave said the instructor is Kibort.
#5
Rennlist Member
Only works in cars without airbags!
#6
Rennlist
Basic Site Sponsor
Basic Site Sponsor
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Durham, NC and Virginia International Raceway
Posts: 19,165
Received 3,340 Likes
on
1,895 Posts
__________________
-Peter Krause
www.peterkrause.net
www.gofasternow.com
"Combining the Art and Science of Driving Fast!"
Specializing in Professional, Private Driver Performance Evaluation and Optimization
Consultation Available Remotely and at VIRginia International Raceway
-Peter Krause
www.peterkrause.net
www.gofasternow.com
"Combining the Art and Science of Driving Fast!"
Specializing in Professional, Private Driver Performance Evaluation and Optimization
Consultation Available Remotely and at VIRginia International Raceway
#7
Rennlist Member
what happened anyway, just missed the braking point? seems brakes were good as tires squealed all thru the whole time... seems he was trying to wrench the wheel right when fully on brakes... car never turned... understeer much?
Trending Topics
#9
Rennlist
Basic Site Sponsor
Basic Site Sponsor
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Durham, NC and Virginia International Raceway
Posts: 19,165
Received 3,340 Likes
on
1,895 Posts
#12
Rennlist Member
Do you think i would be in a car with any driver that was going that fast, poorly executing shifts and missing braking zones and off line. Sorry folks, I would have pulled him back a notch or two several turns before that!
No probably an instructor that has never raced much, like you Dave!
Sure has your style of slip clutch mismatch RPM/ release shifting! must have been one of YOUR students!
This is common among this level and type of instructing.
No probably an instructor that has never raced much, like you Dave!
Sure has your style of slip clutch mismatch RPM/ release shifting! must have been one of YOUR students!
This is common among this level and type of instructing.
#13
Rennlist Member
If he just applied brakes and did all the slowing first, there would have been no incident. from the moment he banged the revs and downshifts, if he instead just used the brakes, this novice would still have a car in one piece today. and the instructor wouldnt have had to toss his undies.
once he was going that fast and was on the brakes hard , the tires sliding were not a push the were just locked. just a simple situation of asking the tires to do more than they can at that point..... again, his slow down process started at 300ft. how many cars need more than 300ft to completely stop from 80mph?
not many... too much time jerking around the gear box and failed to brake.
and no, to the answer to the orig question.... No dont put your legs up on the dash in crash
#14
Damn, what a waste of a nice car. It looks like he just locked them up and went straight for the wall. There was actually quite a bit of paved runout space and some steering and a bit of throttle the car would have turned and maybe just brushed the blue bushes.
Also, look where the driver is looking. He is fixated on the wall and car went right to it. I'm guessing panic and target fixation for the driver. I have no idea what the instructor was thinking. The comm data would be interesting. I would have been yelling "OFF THE BRAKES, TURN RIGHT, GAS-GAS-GAS!".
ETA - Scratch that, I think the driver lost his brakes. It is in the youtube comments to the video. Should have nicer in my original comment.
-Mike
Also, look where the driver is looking. He is fixated on the wall and car went right to it. I'm guessing panic and target fixation for the driver. I have no idea what the instructor was thinking. The comm data would be interesting. I would have been yelling "OFF THE BRAKES, TURN RIGHT, GAS-GAS-GAS!".
ETA - Scratch that, I think the driver lost his brakes. It is in the youtube comments to the video. Should have nicer in my original comment.
-Mike
Last edited by TXE36; 05-23-2017 at 09:01 PM. Reason: Messed up.
#15
Rennlist Member
In addition to the mistakes made executing a routine pass, am I the only one surprised at how that E30 folded up?