ProCoach

While I like Barber and think it is a great "technical exercise," it is not very fast at all, in terms of terminal velocity. In my spec class, Sports 2000, it's easier to pass than many because of the 60' WIDTH in a few places, plus people that have a better idea than others how to string together the last five turns have a pronounced advantage.

I learned how to drive it on an rFactor simulation in the spring of 2003, shortly after the track opened.

It poured on the grid just as our slick-shod cars arrived to the five-minute mark. Started seventh out of a few dozen, fell off the first lap at Turn 5 (hydroplaned) and passed first place into T1 on the last lap to win the race. Really fun place and rewarding for smart drivers.

Fun to drive a historic F1 car in the 1:21-22 range around here...

mark kibort

yeah, i should have been more clear. when i was speaking of fast, i meant, no hard braking areas, which are classic passing zones.. but yes, there are spots where the succession of compound turns gives an advantage for someone to get a nose in, but it relies on someone backing out, which is not as easy as the tracks with the hard braking zones.

mark kibort

He just pushed PD into the grass on his pass attempt, didnt he!

wanna911

What is the correct turn map for this track. The one NASA showed us last weekend didn't have a 7a. It was just 7,8,9 at museum, 10/11 in the high speed ess, 12 at the end of the back straight 13 tunnel, 14 sweeper, then one outside had 15 AND 16 as pit in and then 17 as the last turn onto the straight.

Never seen so many different track turn numerations for the same track configuration.

Veloce Raptor

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wanna911

This is from Barber's website. I think this is the one they have posted outside by the elevator. Which isn't even the same as the one they have inside the meeting/viewing room.


https://barbermotorsports.com/tyfoon...Indy%20Map.pdf

Veloce Raptor

That's hilarious

ProCoach

I like the PSDS map. But that has T16 leading onto the front straight!

Here's a good one. With data.

fbirch

Got any video?

ProCoach

Nope, but plenty of data!

fbirch

Here is a video from the recent NASA weekend at Barber, showing two cars that are relatively close in capability, and the difficulty of passing at Barber. I think Barber is one of the nicest DE tracks out there (the grounds look like a manicured country club, an over-the-top motorsports museum on site, etc.), and I like to watch the pros race there, but it seems as if it would be a frustrating place to drive a race if you found yourself stuck behind someone who was 0.5% slower than you. BTW, I'm new to racing and have never raced there, so I have no firsthand racing experience at Barber.

Lemming

I believe that the 15 turn map was what was originally used at Barber. The 17 turn map is based on corner stations and used by some race organizations. Not sure where the 16 turn map came from, possibly PSDS.

ProCoach

Yes, the 16 turn map is the standard PSDS material.

fbirch

Wanna, not sure if you saw this one. Looks as if he does a 1:30 in a single hot lap.

wanna911

I have now. Good study material for sure. Timed from exiting the hairpin it was a low 1:29. Interesting that he uses the first curb in the chicane on the back straight vs the second one that most other pro teams use.

Thanks for posting.