ShakeNBake

Actually....some kinds of race tires are dangerous to run when their old because the Nylon belts rot. A friend and I bought a whole bunch of hooiser R5 tires at pennies on the dollar many years ago, and there turned out to be a good reason why they were so cheap. Several blew while on track - fortunately no one was ever hurt.

I'm really glad I don't live in the same part of the country as our friend here, he's putting other people in danger.

Veloce Raptor

Lmao! So naughty!

Jacy, that's why I implore everyone to don't do what he says.

mark kibort

thats REALLLY funny.... I run very well stored older hoosier A6s and then, you buy a "bunch" of cheap , crap R5s (which were known to delaminate) , and actually have some blow outs and IM the one you are worried about?????
Reallly??????? am i hearing you correctly???

R5s are pretty old and how they are stored can make a difference. i wouldnt even use an R5..... and you are worried about me and some dark black pefect shape , steel belted A6s that are 8 years old? a little projection going on here , dont you think?

ive only have had one blow out and ironically, it was a 2013 tire that blew. never found out what happened.. it happened at the runnoffs... and no one was endager, because unlike some guys that push their cars after they blow and then crash, i just rolled into the pits slowly.


anyway, thats RICH.... you buy the tires for pennies on the dollar, have blowouts on the track and IM THE DANGEROUS one??? are you for real??

linzman

Mark, you are amazing. You win every race, on old tires, in an old car with overheating brakes. Does your car even need gas, or does it just hover?

How can I be more like you?

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mark kibort

ok, we are getting somewhere. yes, i agree.... what i do is very **** when it comes to the used tires i get. i get them off known entities (actually see them on the track, know the car and the driver) AND, i wrap them and store them in a temp controlled garage. so, i am not as dangerous as Dave may insinuate.
However, even when i have used very old tires that were not stored as well as mine, the only draw back is that they are less sticky.. i am in no way a risk at the track, no more than if you had someone on the track with street tires. again, you have to drive to the limits of the tires and not beyond.

I have an exotic car that was made in 2006 that still has the originator front tires. Im sure the car was garaged its entire life, but the tires are fine and are just a little thin on the tread.. As i suspect the CGT was, and there is nothing wrong or dangerous with the tire. its just not as sticky as they were new . but that doesnt mean you crash your car when you push the pedal down. just as driving on the rain or over a suspect road surface, you need to know the "limits".
ive never seen a street tire explode or fail just because it was old. Usually it cords out and then has problems. Or it has some obvious cracking in the tire that you can see. Street tires are pretty tough, especially the DOT race street tires that come on the CGT. 9 years old on those tires, with the car probably kept in a garage and i bet less than 20k miles, and they would be just fine. and certainly NOT a cause of this accident.

mark kibort

i win quite a few races.
yes, on old tires
brakes only faded (overheated on one 100ft section of laguna, and now fixed with larger two piece rotors)
it gets 4mpg on the track racing
only hoovers when running thunderhill backward off the turn 5 hill!

any other questions?

is what im talking about another language for you? do you need a translator.
All im saying is that you cant blame the car or the tires here. ive seen it before. someone gets over their head quickly and hurts themselves .. dont shoot the messenger.

the blamers here are worst that the prosecuting attorneys and less informed on the jury that could hang porsche or the tire company.

hey, why not sue the guy that aligned the car, or adjusted the sway bar in the rear too stiff....... or changed the VARI timing so that the power came on earlier.. or the gas station attendant that put too much air in the rear tires.....
where does it end my friend!! sorry if the voice of reason is too LOUD for you!!:

mark kibort

what were you getting at here 911SLOW? just curious. the hp/torque curves seem to be quite tame.

Coochas

I believe the government is offering free stress counseling, support groups and hugs to anybody who has been upset by the verdict against Paul Walker's estate.

hacker-pschorr

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ShakeNBake

This was back in ~2007, right when the R6 came out, the R5s were only 1 year old. On the second year they started to get sketchy/rotting. But as people continue to warn me, I'm not going to argue with you - I'm just removing calories from starving children in africa.

mark kibort

well, many of us in the KNOW bypassed using the R5s that seemed to be riddled with problems... i used R3s and R4s until the R6s cam out.
you were even being warned by others and still used them? and im the dangerous one? common... lets be civil here.
its just goes to show you that racing is a thinking game too. judgement needs to be applied in all areas. you were warned and had blow outs with the R5, and i use R5s and R6s that are 8 years old and never had any issues at all.
its not an argument. you are stating your experience and im stating mine.
the R6 is a great tire and i have no concerns of using them in the 6 year old range as they have been stored correctly. not to race, but practice and qualify. Ill reserve the new ones for the races that matter!

Carsly

terribly inaccurate. The US DOT recommends a six-year replacement interval on tires regardless of mileage. Older rubber loses its pliability and therefore grip. it also becomes more rigid and thus more prone to cracks and outright failure. They can't force anyone to change tires any more than they can force you to change your motor oil or brake fluid (or pads and rotors, for that matter).

hacker-pschorr

linzman

Yes. I need a translator. Because I don't understand how someone can be such a pompous ***** who can never be wrong. My comments had nothing to do with the original post, they were more directed at your perfect, all knowing a$$hattedness.

Let me translate for you, I could not for a second wish that I was anything like you. GET IT??? I know it's complicated.