"E" and "D" class?
#241
Well, we're a step closer to figuring out the brakes. Apparently the car has carrera calipers and rotors on it. So either the booster is bad, or there is a different booster from the SC to the Carrera models and that's why I'm getting the funny play in the pedal. Either way, looks like I'm buying calipers and rotors to make it compliant with the rules.
Looking at the brake rules, nothing is mentioned about the E-brake... Are we required to keep it or can I get rid of the whole assembly? It doesn't say you can't remove it, but I'm not sure how weird PCA gets with this stuff.
Looking at the brake rules, nothing is mentioned about the E-brake... Are we required to keep it or can I get rid of the whole assembly? It doesn't say you can't remove it, but I'm not sure how weird PCA gets with this stuff.
You can adjust the brake pedal height at the cluster to make it easier to heal/toe.
If you adjust it too low, you will have to much "free play" in the pedal before you actuate the master cylinder.
You can have a great handling T-bar 911 without breaking the bank.
The majority of racers don't need/ can't take advantage of adjustable shocks or crazy big T-bars.
My old 79 SC that I raced in E prep and F prep had a pretty basic suspension that was very effective.
23 mm front T-bars(most guys like 24 mm, I prefer a neutral to over steering car)
33 mm rear T-bars
Properly sized front A-arm poly bushings
Smart Racing Front Swaybar
Smart Racing Camber plates/ strut bar
Steering rack spacers
Rear Elephant Poly bronze Spring plate bushings
Elephant quick change spring plates
Smart Racing rear Swaybar
Elephant Von shocks(rebaged Bilsteins)
Front non adjustable strut inserts
Rear rebound adjustable shocks
That was a great handling car, it took me awhile to get my 964 to feel as good as my the 79 did.
Still prefer the steering on the 79... the ABS cars have different geometry(neg. scrub radius),and don't have the same feel.
#242
Charlie Bars were made by Wrightwood racing.
Charlie Spira is the owner.
They were a higher quality alternative to the more common Weltmeister sways back in the day.
Pretty sure they are no longer madea nd you can't get parts for them but not 100%.
Might be worth selling them to someone as spares and putting on Smart Racing or Tarett's, if you going to doing a lot of racing. Much easier to get spares for/find someone at the track with parts, if you have a problem.
Charlie Spira is the owner.
They were a higher quality alternative to the more common Weltmeister sways back in the day.
Pretty sure they are no longer madea nd you can't get parts for them but not 100%.
Might be worth selling them to someone as spares and putting on Smart Racing or Tarett's, if you going to doing a lot of racing. Much easier to get spares for/find someone at the track with parts, if you have a problem.
#244
Probably something that should be clarified in the rule book.
I know lot of cars don't have them, including mine.
#245
Charlie Bars were made by Wrightwood racing.
Charlie Spira is the owner.
They were a higher quality alternative to the more common Weltmeister sways back in the day.
Pretty sure they are no longer madea nd you can't get parts for them but not 100%.
Might be worth selling them to someone as spares and putting on Smart Racing or Tarett's, if you going to doing a lot of racing. Much easier to get spares for/find someone at the track with parts, if you have a problem.
Charlie Spira is the owner.
They were a higher quality alternative to the more common Weltmeister sways back in the day.
Pretty sure they are no longer madea nd you can't get parts for them but not 100%.
Might be worth selling them to someone as spares and putting on Smart Racing or Tarett's, if you going to doing a lot of racing. Much easier to get spares for/find someone at the track with parts, if you have a problem.
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#251
You really need to educate yourself on the present day set-up of the torsion bar 911's.
Your car looks like that in your pic, because it isn't properly set-up.
Too soft of a rear spring rate.
You don't need triple adjustable shocks, to get it to handle flat.
For the hp/weight ration of D and E cars, a 275 mm rear tire is more than adequate.
You can get -3.0 deg of front camber with these.
http://www.elephantracing.com/suspen...amberplate.htm
Your car looks like that in your pic, because it isn't properly set-up.
Too soft of a rear spring rate.
You don't need triple adjustable shocks, to get it to handle flat.
For the hp/weight ration of D and E cars, a 275 mm rear tire is more than adequate.
You can get -3.0 deg of front camber with these.
http://www.elephantracing.com/suspen...amberplate.htm
I don't think PCA Stock rules allow adjustment of front camber, but I could be wrong.
#252
Bingo. That's exactly what my bar looks like. Except with a second hole drilled right next to the first hole. I guess that's one way to make an adjustable sway bar Looks like I need to go bar shopping now. My cheap E class car is starting to add up
The car lives in Orlando (about 2 hours away) so I can't take pics. But I spoke with the shop owner and he confirmed it has Carrera brakes on it. One of the clues was that the rotors that came on the car were shot and he just replaced them with Carrera rotors He is an HSR/SVRA guy and assumed the caliper change was ok because the Carrera rotors last much longer than SC rotors. I whipped out the 2015 rule book and instructed him to order new calipers that were compliant. Sigh....
The car lives in Orlando (about 2 hours away) so I can't take pics. But I spoke with the shop owner and he confirmed it has Carrera brakes on it. One of the clues was that the rotors that came on the car were shot and he just replaced them with Carrera rotors He is an HSR/SVRA guy and assumed the caliper change was ok because the Carrera rotors last much longer than SC rotors. I whipped out the 2015 rule book and instructed him to order new calipers that were compliant. Sigh....
#253
F. Bolt-in devices (e.g. camber plates) that allow for camber adjustment at the top of the shock are allowed. Machining of the shock tower is not permitted. Shock dust covers may be removed.
#254
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Car is either a euro 1980SC or a 1982SC non sunroof american car with Euro upgraded motor.
Waiting to find out the history...
#255
Charlie Bars were made by Wrightwood racing.
Charlie Spira is the owner.
They were a higher quality alternative to the more common Weltmeister sways back in the day.
Pretty sure they are no longer madea nd you can't get parts for them but not 100%.
Might be worth selling them to someone as spares and putting on Smart Racing or Tarett's, if you going to doing a lot of racing. Much easier to get spares for/find someone at the track with parts, if you have a problem.
Charlie Spira is the owner.
They were a higher quality alternative to the more common Weltmeister sways back in the day.
Pretty sure they are no longer madea nd you can't get parts for them but not 100%.
Might be worth selling them to someone as spares and putting on Smart Racing or Tarett's, if you going to doing a lot of racing. Much easier to get spares for/find someone at the track with parts, if you have a problem.