VIR Club Race
#91
Originally Posted by GT3DE;
Wishing we had the "share the corner" rule at PCA.
#92
We had a huge kerfluffel at the start of the red sprint race 1. Here's the view from my car.
VIR Race 1 Start - YouTube
VIR Race 1 Start - YouTube
Nice avoidance.
We've only raced there once, and I felt that there were limited passing opportunities. Maybe that makes drivers more defensive to letting other carrs by?
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IMO, the deficit in the on-track culture is that a) drivers are given conflicting messages ("if you're ahead, it's YOUR corner" versus "leave racing room") without a clear priority to those messages and the way they should be executed, and b) that it is engrained in driver's minds that if they "leave racing room," by necessity they may (or most believe, WILL) "give up an advantage."
It doesn't have to work that way. The fun is in letting the corners work it out, instead of "beating someone to the corner," or the perennial excuse of "going defensive..."
Jim's battle with Doug this past weekend and the front pack of Muller, Straus, Rudtner, Yonker (and others) at the Glen is on-track behavior at it's best!
We need more of that to keep and make more fun PCA Club Racing.
It doesn't have to work that way. The fun is in letting the corners work it out, instead of "beating someone to the corner," or the perennial excuse of "going defensive..."
Jim's battle with Doug this past weekend and the front pack of Muller, Straus, Rudtner, Yonker (and others) at the Glen is on-track behavior at it's best!
We need more of that to keep and make more fun PCA Club Racing.
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#94
We had a huge kerfluffel at the start of the red sprint race 1. Here's the view from my car.
VIR Race 1 Start - YouTube
VIR Race 1 Start - YouTube
See yourself here:
#95
There were far fewer incidents than at the Glen, which I think is pretty impressive considering the mix of classes and the extreme heat. Even the Cup cars played nice
Great event; great track. Would like to see it moved to the fall (Sept/Oct) to help with temps.
There was a lot of this but as you say totally expected given the extreme class mixing. Goes to first comment above.
Charlie
#96
Yes. Here is a link to a group that I have been doing some races with. Lots of fun and good racing! Most races are with HSR but not all of them. Next up is Road Atlanta in July.
http://www.stuttgartcup.com/
Matt
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#97
Also big thanks to Doug Crossman and Jim Buckley for helping me out with the above issue AND several others as well. Damnit, it was one of those weekends...
But I had a great time for my first time at VIR. Awesome track! I'll be back next year, for sure!
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Agreed.
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#99
We had a huge kerfluffel at the start of the red sprint race 1. Here's the view from my car.
VIR Race 1 Start - YouTube
VIR Race 1 Start - YouTube
Thanks to Peter for tech support and to Keith Peare for the clutch so I could make the enduro. I came close to getting it in for sprint 2. I hope the car is back together soon. It was a really rough weekend for SPBs
#100
On a more positive note, I have to give a shout out to my shop Intersport for their support this weekend. They went way above anything I could have imagined. Friday afternoon during practice three I broke an axle on the first lap. I had actually tried to get a spare axle before the weekend, as shop said it would be good to have in the spares box. I call earlier in the week, but Suncoast parts said it would take a couple days for them to get one and I wouldn't have had it in time for the race. So of course Murphy's law, mine breaks, and I have no spare. Charlie (Shop owner) and I scoured the paddock for one as Omar(shop owner) called around. Turns out there is not one in the entire country. So instead of having to sit out the weekend, Omar calls his sales guy back at the shop(they sell cars as well as service them). They had a low mileage pristine 997 on the showroom floor which happens to use the same axle as my race car. He makes a few other calls, and next thing I know he has one of his guys driving this pristine car 300 miles to VIR so they can pull the axle, and put it in my race car, let me race for the weekend, then put it back so they can drive the car home. then put a new axle back in the showroom car once it arrived!!!!! Not to mention it was 4pm and Friday traffic was brutal. The guys were up at 6am in the rain on Saturday doing the swap to get me out for qualifying. Talk about customer service. I was speechless!!! Can't thank them enough.
Of course after all that effort I let them down by hitting the wall in the esses
Last edited by rmag; 06-23-2014 at 01:52 PM.
#102
The uphill esses at VIR require attention. It is a fast fast portion of the track where faster cars do not want to get stuck behind a slower car for the entire portion of the track. Slower cars should let the fast guys go before entry. Here is how not to do it. I was leading the Enduro and lapping a car who decided he should race me alway the way including the oak tree turn. I was probably 10 seconds a lap faster than hi. I am driving a GTA2 Cup, him a street car. I may have been too courteous, expecting room to pass. https://vimeo.com/98938478
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Regarding the incident going into the climbing essees. Camera car starts to make the slow turn in at about 52.5 seconds into the lap. Contact happens at 54.3ish. Nearly 2 seconds. Sorry, overtaking driver very much at fault in my book from information we have here.
The number of wicked hits I've seen at that spot is incredible. And it's almost always a faster car running up on a slower car who begins their turn into the esses well before there is anyone next to them. I've lots of days at VIR, not as many as Peter, but still more than I count. When I had the open wheel car I came on this situation a lot. It was NEVER worth it to make a pass from a long way back on people going into the esses. Overtake speeds of 20+ mph at the point means you will cover more ground than the guy in front thinks. For the overwhelming majority of racers, the climbing esses are a single file event outside of the first lap it seems.
I'd love to see in car from the fab car but it looks to me like he wasn't necessarily going to make the second turn even if he had made it past the car without incident.
The number of wicked hits I've seen at that spot is incredible. And it's almost always a faster car running up on a slower car who begins their turn into the esses well before there is anyone next to them. I've lots of days at VIR, not as many as Peter, but still more than I count. When I had the open wheel car I came on this situation a lot. It was NEVER worth it to make a pass from a long way back on people going into the esses. Overtake speeds of 20+ mph at the point means you will cover more ground than the guy in front thinks. For the overwhelming majority of racers, the climbing esses are a single file event outside of the first lap it seems.
I'd love to see in car from the fab car but it looks to me like he wasn't necessarily going to make the second turn even if he had made it past the car without incident.
#104
Here is a 1:53 lap chasing pro driver Cory Friedman. You should see this guy work through traffic. What a driver Cory is!!
https://vimeo.com/98935358
https://vimeo.com/98935358
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The uphill esses at VIR require attention. It is a fast fast portion of the track where faster cars do not want to get stuck behind a slower car for the entire portion of the track. Slower cars should let the fast guys go before entry. Here is how not to do it. I was leading the Enduro and lapping a car who decided he should race me alway the way including the oak tree turn. I was probably 10 seconds a lap faster than hi. I am driving a GTA2 Cup, him a street car. I may have been too courteous, expecting room to pass. https://vimeo.com/98938478