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Old 12-14-2013, 12:21 PM
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Err, what?



.2 modification factor added to weight/power ratio for rear engine configuration (essentially 911's). Rear mid engine no penalty. ... only if behind the rear axle.
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I guess they are sick of their precious macho Corvettes gettting beaten?
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Originally Posted by wanna911 View Post
Err, what?



.2 modification factor added to weight/power ratio for rear engine configuration (essentially 911's). Rear mid engine no penalty. ... only if behind the rear axle.
Dat is stupid. I had a friend who was going to TT3 with his 6GT3 and this will probably change his mind. I mean it's not like Porsche is winning all the races and TT's

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Old 12-14-2013, 01:14 PM
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If nationals us any indication, that hasn't happened yet. And based on this rule, it never will. At least not from 911.
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Yea talk about a bogus move. Wasn't that the handicap that porsche has been trying to "overcome" since the 901? They lightened up on the restrictions on the 996/7 cups but smacked every 911 with this.
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Old 12-14-2013, 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by J richard View Post
Yea talk about a bogus move. Wasn't that the handicap that porsche has been trying to "overcome" since the 901? They lightened up on the restrictions on the 996/7 cups but smacked every 911 with this.
The 996 and 997 cups are not considered production cars so they get hit with.

-0.4
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-0.2

So the total mod factor is -0.6

That's not even fair to the cup cars. They would be better off just banning cups from ST to begin with. as it's essentially making them uncompetitive against a good (any other) type of car). Meanwhile the ACR-X and Competition Coupe have no mod factor.....

A good build on a Corvette will run cup times all day long, and for less than 250k.

As for the other 40 years of 911's prior to the 997 it's preposterous for them to even make a rule that would penalize them. Guys are building Corvette's in their garage that will outrun almost every 6 cup.

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The way I'm reading the rules is they did away with the specific 996/997 cup model penalty of -.4 in the old rules, they moved the 996/997 cup to the models allowed to run in production class and then hit them with a engine on the wrong end penalty of -.2... So not as bad for the 6/7 cup as last year but all the other 911, SC, 964 and 993 take -.2 in the shorts in ST3... Somebody forgot about the little guys....

Also interesting the the continental spec tires don't take the -.7 hit.... Gee who runs those?
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I assumed the non-production car factor would be assessed as well. Maybe I'm wrong.
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is that in TT, ST or GTS?

PS they just hit sequential boxes as well.
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Dave, ST
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Old 12-14-2013, 05:08 PM
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No modification in GTS, so maybe they are trying to force all of the Porsches out of ST competitiveness. The sequential penalty has been in affect.

ST rules apply to TT almost always exactly the same.
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Dumb ruling for sure, no reason to hurt the older 911 models, would like to have more of them running in ST. To many classes in a small region like ours anyway. The Corvettes didn't need the help that I can see.
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Clearly Nasa wants the Porsche's to run in GTS, not ST. The tire, weight, sequential.....are all different between ST and GTS. If they wanted them aligned it would be easy to do. Now I think they all get the raw end of the "rear engine" deal, and yes the earlier cars even more so.
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Old 12-14-2013, 07:15 PM
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That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I mean clearly, that rear engine with 65% of the weight on one of the car is just a HUGE advantage over a mid engine ferrari or lotus, and definitely more than those uncompetitive corvettes with the engine a foot behind the front axle or the BMWS with 50/50 weight distribution. I mean, just look at prototype and F1 cars - all the fast ones have the motor hanging out 2 feet behind the rear axle.....
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Originally Posted by claykos View Post
I mean, just look at prototype and F1 cars - all the fast ones have the motor hanging out 2 feet behind the rear axle.....
Maybe NASA and Porsche know something that these guys don't? Will F1/prototypes start placing their engines behind rear axles? Has the truth finally come out?
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