Run groups for Sebring PCA Club Race
12-10-2013, 04:52 PM
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Why two DE groups when they can easily fill 4 racer run groups? Club racers get only 1 opportunity, 1 event to race at Sebring; DE folks gets tons of events to choose from to run at Sebring.
12-10-2013, 04:53 PM
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There has to be an average of each racer paying at least 1k per racer. Click everything with golf cart, co driver, coach etc and could be 2k. With 230 racers alone this club race doesn't seem like it needs 2 DE groups
12-10-2013, 06:22 PM
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OK guys. I sent a link to this thread to an organizer. Here are his thoughts, posted with his permission:
Here's the situation: I am a Committee Member of 7 years and raced in GT3S class last year. I'm registered to race in the same class again this year. I hated being placed in the fastest run group last year and my wife doesn't want me to race if they put us in that group again this year. Unfortunately, we have no say on the run groups. It's all up to National. We also have little say on whether we have one DE group or two.
Keep in mind, the Advance Solo (DE) group is a feeder system to Club Racing. I ran in this group for two years (2005-06 ?) before advancing to the race groups. Many (not all) of our fellow racers came up that step as well. I personally know of a few that are running the DE this year with plans to race next year. I love it!
Believe me, it's not about the money or greed. As you can imagine, this is a brutally expensive event to produce. We just want to put on the best event we can. This is truly a year-round part-time job for each committee member. Our only pay is when a fellow club member gives a sincere "thanks" for our work. In addition to our Committee, this event requires an additional 200 volunteers! Yes, that means over 200 people are volunteering so that we can race. I can't thank them enough!
See you at the track,
Delusions of Grandeur Motorsports
Here's the situation: I am a Committee Member of 7 years and raced in GT3S class last year. I'm registered to race in the same class again this year. I hated being placed in the fastest run group last year and my wife doesn't want me to race if they put us in that group again this year. Unfortunately, we have no say on the run groups. It's all up to National. We also have little say on whether we have one DE group or two.
Keep in mind, the Advance Solo (DE) group is a feeder system to Club Racing. I ran in this group for two years (2005-06 ?) before advancing to the race groups. Many (not all) of our fellow racers came up that step as well. I personally know of a few that are running the DE this year with plans to race next year. I love it!
Believe me, it's not about the money or greed. As you can imagine, this is a brutally expensive event to produce. We just want to put on the best event we can. This is truly a year-round part-time job for each committee member. Our only pay is when a fellow club member gives a sincere "thanks" for our work. In addition to our Committee, this event requires an additional 200 volunteers! Yes, that means over 200 people are volunteering so that we can race. I can't thank them enough!
See you at the track,
Delusions of Grandeur Motorsports
12-10-2013, 06:35 PM
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Plus, if there is a racer waiting list, why are we so worried about grooming more people to put on a waiting list?
12-10-2013, 07:20 PM
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It doesn't make sense to me to spend that many days away from work and 5 figures in costs with only three race groups and the problems that brings.
The cup car group gets very little track time due to incidents. Everyone knows you need to get a fast lap very early in each session (many sessions are only a few laps due to carnage) or you will get stuck in back and never get the chance to get up front again and get a clear lap. It's been painful the last few times I went. I love the track, race, and people but I would have a lot more fun for the same money on a Greek island mega-yacht cruise. Or I hear the POC race is a lot better with plenty of track time and less incidents.
IMHO
The cup car group gets very little track time due to incidents. Everyone knows you need to get a fast lap very early in each session (many sessions are only a few laps due to carnage) or you will get stuck in back and never get the chance to get up front again and get a clear lap. It's been painful the last few times I went. I love the track, race, and people but I would have a lot more fun for the same money on a Greek island mega-yacht cruise. Or I hear the POC race is a lot better with plenty of track time and less incidents.
IMHO
12-10-2013, 08:08 PM
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From the COTA thread which I think sums the issue up well:
...........For financial considerations the DE option should have a trigger. If the RACE doesn't sell out X weeks prior to the event start date the DE opens and further registration is first come first serve be it DEers or Racers.
The idea that a PCA National Club Race should have DE is BS. Want to have a NASA style event? Go drive with NASA. Want to drive at a PCA National Club Race? - Get a racing license. DEs were only recently added to pay for the event when attendance dropped or at small less popular tracks. Now newbies think this is SOP. Not! I never did a DE at a PCA National Club Race during the years I was learning to drive. The thought of racers being wait-listed or turned away because DEers are taking those spots on the track is unconscionable at a RACE event. Especially when you recognize there is only 1 race per year per track and there are dozens of DEs.
The idea that a PCA National Club Race should have DE is BS. Want to have a NASA style event? Go drive with NASA. Want to drive at a PCA National Club Race? - Get a racing license. DEs were only recently added to pay for the event when attendance dropped or at small less popular tracks. Now newbies think this is SOP. Not! I never did a DE at a PCA National Club Race during the years I was learning to drive. The thought of racers being wait-listed or turned away because DEers are taking those spots on the track is unconscionable at a RACE event. Especially when you recognize there is only 1 race per year per track and there are dozens of DEs.
12-10-2013, 08:58 PM
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12-10-2013, 09:18 PM
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The Watkins Glen PCA race (which BTW is awesome) has 4 sprint race groups and, I think, zero DE. I'm curious why the Sebring race is organized so differently.
12-10-2013, 09:34 PM
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OK guys. I sent a link to this thread to an organizer. Here are his thoughts, posted with his permission:
Here's the situation: I am a Committee Member of 7 years and raced in GT3S class last year. I'm registered to race in the same class again this year. I hated being placed in the fastest run group last year and my wife doesn't want me to race if they put us in that group again this year. Unfortunately, we have no say on the run groups. It's all up to National. We also have little say on whether we have one DE group or two.
Keep in mind, the Advance Solo (DE) group is a feeder system to Club Racing. I ran in this group for two years (2005-06 ?) before advancing to the race groups. Many (not all) of our fellow racers came up that step as well. I personally know of a few that are running the DE this year with plans to race next year. I love it!
Believe me, it's not about the money or greed. As you can imagine, this is a brutally expensive event to produce. We just want to put on the best event we can. This is truly a year-round part-time job for each committee member. Our only pay is when a fellow club member gives a sincere "thanks" for our work. In addition to our Committee, this event requires an additional 200 volunteers! Yes, that means over 200 people are volunteering so that we can race. I can't thank them enough!
See you at the track,
Delusions of Grandeur Motorsports
Here's the situation: I am a Committee Member of 7 years and raced in GT3S class last year. I'm registered to race in the same class again this year. I hated being placed in the fastest run group last year and my wife doesn't want me to race if they put us in that group again this year. Unfortunately, we have no say on the run groups. It's all up to National. We also have little say on whether we have one DE group or two.
Keep in mind, the Advance Solo (DE) group is a feeder system to Club Racing. I ran in this group for two years (2005-06 ?) before advancing to the race groups. Many (not all) of our fellow racers came up that step as well. I personally know of a few that are running the DE this year with plans to race next year. I love it!
Believe me, it's not about the money or greed. As you can imagine, this is a brutally expensive event to produce. We just want to put on the best event we can. This is truly a year-round part-time job for each committee member. Our only pay is when a fellow club member gives a sincere "thanks" for our work. In addition to our Committee, this event requires an additional 200 volunteers! Yes, that means over 200 people are volunteering so that we can race. I can't thank them enough!
See you at the track,
Delusions of Grandeur Motorsports
I consider Sebring my home track but stopped attending the PCA race two years ago because of the countless yellows and blacks that limit the actual racing. Thankfully there are plenty of other well run races at Sebring. Just raced one last weekend with HSR.
