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Sebastian Vettel
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Mark Webber
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Jenson Button
8.89%
Lewis Hamilton
15.56%
Fernando Alonso
6.67%
Felipe Massa
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Michael Schumacher
6.67%
Nico Rosberg
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Kimi Raikkonen
13.33%
Romain Grosjean
2.22%
Paul di Resta
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0%
Nico Hulkenburg
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Kamui Kobayashi
0
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Sergio Perez
2.22%
Daniel Ricciardo
0
0%
Jean-Eric Vergne
0
0%
Pastor Maldonado
0
0%
Bruno Senna
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Vitali Petrov
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2012 Grand Prix of Singapore

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Old 09-26-2012, 07:30 PM
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This must be a joke. Vettel won in a car anyone would have won in, even Button. Its not even close.
Old 09-26-2012, 08:08 PM
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This is a moot point, we will all see Alonso and Vettel as teammates at Ferrari starting in 2014
Old 09-26-2012, 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by 968TurboS
This must be a joke. Vettel won in a car anyone would have won in, even Button. Its not even close.
Yes that is correct anyone would have won that race in that car. Even Mark Webber. Wait a second, Mark Webber? But but but he didn't win? I thought you said anyone would have won. How do you explain Mark Webber? Oh silly me I forgot. Red Bull is willing to throw away millions of dollars in constructor championship points as they purposely give Mark Webber an inferior car to make Vettel look better.

I am not saying Vettel is the best, but he sure is better than some of you think. You don't become WDC without a good car, but you also don't become WDC without being a talented driver.
Old 09-27-2012, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 968TurboS
The funniest part of the race..
Lotus Race Engineer to RG, " Don't hold Kimi, he is much faster" (or something to that effect).

See for yourself, how much faster Iceman was from RG.

Pos Driver Team Time
1. Vettel Red Bull-Renault 2h00:26.144
2. Button McLaren-Mercedes + 8.959
3. Alonso Ferrari + 15.227
4. Di Resta Force India-Mercedes + 19.063
5. Rosberg Mercedes + 34.784
6. Raikkonen Lotus-Renault + 35.759
7. Grosjean Lotus-Renault + 36.698

8. Massa Ferrari + 42.829
9. Ricciardo Toro Rosso-Ferrari + 45.820
10. Webber Red Bull-Renault + 47.175
11. Perez Sauber-Ferrari + 50.619
12. Glock Marussia-Cosworth + 1:31.918
13. Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari + 1:37.141
14. Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes + 1:39.413
15. Pic Marussia-Cosworth + 1:42.925 (*)
16. Kovalainen Caterham-Renault + 1:47.967
17. De la Rosa HRT-Cosworth + 1 lap
18. Senna Williams-Renault + 2 laps
19. Petrov Caterham-Renault + 2 laps


A whopping full sec, lol!
I agree with the BS radio messages, they should just say let your team mate by.
However, looking at the end times after SC periods and slowing down in the end etc. means nothing when it comes to actual speed.
Kimi was lapping about 0.35 seconds faster laps.
Old 09-27-2012, 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by My993C2
Yes that is correct anyone would have won that race in that car. Even Mark Webber. Wait a second, Mark Webber? But but but he didn't win? I thought you said anyone would have won. How do you explain Mark Webber? Oh silly me I forgot. Red Bull is willing to throw away millions of dollars in constructor championship points as they purposely give Mark Webber an inferior car to make Vettel look better.

I am not saying Vettel is the best, but he sure is better than some of you think. You don't become WDC without a good car, but you also don't become WDC without being a talented driver.
I know you watch a lot of old tapes. Go back to a few yrs and see who was given the better development parts out of the 2. You will get your answer. Not saying Vettel is not better than Webber, but if it was Mark and someone else, Mark could have won. My point is, the car was going to win. Anyone at that level was capable of winning in RBR.
Also, if you missed, what I was responding to..

Vettel vs. Alonso in the same car? I'm taking Vettel every time.
Old 09-28-2012, 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by My993C2
Yes that is correct anyone would have won that race in that car. Even Mark Webber. Wait a second, Mark Webber? But but but he didn't win? I thought you said anyone would have won. How do you explain Mark Webber? Oh silly me I forgot. Red Bull is willing to throw away millions of dollars in constructor championship points as they purposely give Mark Webber an inferior car to make Vettel look better.

I am not saying Vettel is the best, but he sure is better than some of you think. You don't become WDC without a good car, but you also don't become WDC without being a talented driver.
Well to shed just a little light on it, MW had Kers issues again and would probably have got 3rd or 4th had they not killed him during that 2nd S/Car.

Not certain I'd say that the RBR is thought of as the leading car either....but interestingly at one stage they had the fastest trap speed. They must have dialed out some downforce for that track while everyone dialled some in.
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Wow, that's quite analysis there.
Let's hear yours. Oh, that's right we've done so already: "Vettel is great, he's the best ever, and so good looking, yada yada yada..."
Come on, stop sucking the guy's schnitzel for 5 minutes and you'll realize that what I said is nothing but the plain truth. All he did was finish the race, as the two cars ahead of him retired. Moot point. Let's see how he does at Suzuka.

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Old 10-02-2012, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by jbossolo
Let's hear yours. Oh, that's right we've done so already: "Vettel is great, he's the best ever, and so good looking, yada yada yada..."
Come on, stop sucking the guy's schnitzel for 5 minutes and you'll realize that what I said is nothing but the plain truth. All he did was finish the race, as the two cars ahead of him retired. Moot point. Let's see how he does at Suzuka.
You mean where Vettel has won two of the last three races?



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