Is this blocking or just being wide?
07-22-2011, 12:52 AM
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Im the BMW driver. Yes, I was frustrated. I didnt complain about blocking and actually went to talk to Christian Maloof (red 911) after the race. Ive made my car equally wide before so I know what was going on. This was my first time racing against him, so I was trying to get a feel for what he was doing.
I did try to setup some passes, but hard to take advantage with his defense and with what appeared to be better P-car gearing. Our cars were matched close. I definitely could have done better and been more assertive. Part of my strategy was being all over him trying to force him into a mistake.
Yes, I should have made the 4:20ish pass stick, but what you cant see is the car washed out under braking. I messed up and he went under me and took the position back.
And YES, DUH, the brake/throttle is swapped. Capt. Obvious there :P
Sunday race fared better, but this time I got frustrated from getting chopped. Ended up making a pass stick coming under the Honda bridge:
07-22-2011, 02:16 AM
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Blue BMW I feel you, amazed that you didn't hit him at all!
Red911 was not only blocking, what annoyed me most was he was braking too early and his racing line was totally mysterious? WTF!!!
However, there were some chances to pass him... IMO.
Red911 was not only blocking, what annoyed me most was he was braking too early and his racing line was totally mysterious? WTF!!!
However, there were some chances to pass him... IMO.
07-22-2011, 02:56 AM
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a few instances, red 911 may have been a little blocking or too wide. but overall, he's very defensive not necessarily blocking.
07-22-2011, 03:02 AM
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I thought it was just racing. Sure he could let him by and maybe let the BMW pull him around the track. But the BMW could back up and get a run going maybe. But then maybe he would have to have pressure on him too from behind.
It was great to hear from Magnetic. I like it that you are up in there and that you were able to keep working on him. Good racing.
It was great to hear from Magnetic. I like it that you are up in there and that you were able to keep working on him. Good racing.
07-22-2011, 04:07 AM
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What I SHOULD have done was not pop out so early. Hindsight is great. I also think I should have tried a couple other moves into madness. I'll have to see in August when both of us will be racing together again at MidOhio.
Anyhow, at VIR NASA Heat Wave now. Hopefully I put some of the suggestions in this thread to use this weekend
07-22-2011, 09:12 AM
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Mr. W, I did not know that you were on this forum or I would have consulted you before posting. I was behind your little battle before my engine let go on lap 10 and spun in my own oil at Madness (before being hit because there was apparantly no flag).
07-22-2011, 09:17 AM
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I enjoy close racing and have on occasion made my car fairly wide, but that usually only occurs on the last few laps. The Sunday video shows just how wide the 911 is when there are 4 faster cars lined up behind it but unable to pass. IMO, that is uncalled for that early in a race.
07-22-2011, 09:48 AM
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Sorry to hear about your car. Saw you over there and yes, the flags were a bit late on that one. Not only late, but varying.
07-22-2011, 10:41 AM
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You know Eric, I though that was you. Maybe if I had read the caption on the video better. 
Anyway, the 911 had so much more grip and power (based on what I saw in the video) that if the guy had just driven the car properly he should have motored off into the distance. His lines were so bad, he was certainly driving his mirrors, AND he was staying with the Cayman!!
Anyway, the 911 had so much more grip and power (based on what I saw in the video) that if the guy had just driven the car properly he should have motored off into the distance. His lines were so bad, he was certainly driving his mirrors, AND he was staying with the Cayman!!
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07-22-2011, 01:51 PM
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it bugs me whe folks see some great racing and then bash on the guy in front as a "blocker". he is not blocking. he is in front and has the right to drive narrow, or sloppy or whatever. if you are so much faster, pass him!!
your start was subpar, as 5 cars blew by and the red 911 was one of them (kind of further back too!), when you edged out to the dirt, with no room, just because you got a little jump on the flag. all you needed to do was to get on the red BMW's bumper and hang with him from the start,then the 911 would have been following you the entire race, posting on the BMW boards about how YOU were blocking.
sometimes the race is won at the start. we had a lot of close races , where who ever got the lead at the start and didnt make any mistakes would take the win. all our times were almost identical in qual.
all joshing aside, he has a slightly faster car, you are better under braking and the guy has the advantage of "figuring" out the leading car. you need to study more, figure out his weaknesses and then pounce. see how easily the 944 got by under braking? see how close you got under braking on that one turn where in the last race, you didnt get it done? those are you advantage spots. you dont do yourself any service by riding his bumper, taking bad lines and giving up throttle to keep from hitting him. you need to back off a little , do more of the sizzor manuvers and get off those turns with confidence with full throttle and go for it!
thats some good ole racing. i wouldnt say or feel a thing negative to the red porsche. blocking is making two moves before a turn, as in, going down low to take a early apex, and then as you are tryingt o pass, the guy, darts out in front to "block" and then take the traditional line.. or down a straight, going back and forth to keep you from passing.
your start was subpar, as 5 cars blew by and the red 911 was one of them (kind of further back too!), when you edged out to the dirt, with no room, just because you got a little jump on the flag. all you needed to do was to get on the red BMW's bumper and hang with him from the start,then the 911 would have been following you the entire race, posting on the BMW boards about how YOU were blocking.
sometimes the race is won at the start. we had a lot of close races , where who ever got the lead at the start and didnt make any mistakes would take the win. all our times were almost identical in qual.
all joshing aside, he has a slightly faster car, you are better under braking and the guy has the advantage of "figuring" out the leading car. you need to study more, figure out his weaknesses and then pounce. see how easily the 944 got by under braking? see how close you got under braking on that one turn where in the last race, you didnt get it done? those are you advantage spots. you dont do yourself any service by riding his bumper, taking bad lines and giving up throttle to keep from hitting him. you need to back off a little , do more of the sizzor manuvers and get off those turns with confidence with full throttle and go for it!
thats some good ole racing. i wouldnt say or feel a thing negative to the red porsche. blocking is making two moves before a turn, as in, going down low to take a early apex, and then as you are tryingt o pass, the guy, darts out in front to "block" and then take the traditional line.. or down a straight, going back and forth to keep you from passing.
LOL, yes I do.
Im the BMW driver. Yes, I was frustrated. I didnt complain about blocking and actually went to talk to Christian Maloof (red 911) after the race. Ive made my car equally wide before so I know what was going on. This was my first time racing against him, so I was trying to get a feel for what he was doing.
I did try to setup some passes, but hard to take advantage with his defense and with what appeared to be better P-car gearing. Our cars were matched close. I definitely could have done better and been more assertive. Part of my strategy was being all over him trying to force him into a mistake.
Yes, I should have made the 4:20ish pass stick, but what you cant see is the car washed out under braking. I messed up and he went under me and took the position back.
And YES, DUH, the brake/throttle is swapped. Capt. Obvious there :P
Sunday race fared better, but this time I got frustrated from getting chopped. Ended up making a pass stick coming under the Honda bridge:
http://vimeo.com/26564998
Im the BMW driver. Yes, I was frustrated. I didnt complain about blocking and actually went to talk to Christian Maloof (red 911) after the race. Ive made my car equally wide before so I know what was going on. This was my first time racing against him, so I was trying to get a feel for what he was doing.
I did try to setup some passes, but hard to take advantage with his defense and with what appeared to be better P-car gearing. Our cars were matched close. I definitely could have done better and been more assertive. Part of my strategy was being all over him trying to force him into a mistake.
Yes, I should have made the 4:20ish pass stick, but what you cant see is the car washed out under braking. I messed up and he went under me and took the position back.
And YES, DUH, the brake/throttle is swapped. Capt. Obvious there :P
Sunday race fared better, but this time I got frustrated from getting chopped. Ended up making a pass stick coming under the Honda bridge:
http://vimeo.com/26564998
07-22-2011, 02:06 PM
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Blocking or not, to me it's not much fun to race this way for either car when it's from lap 1, it's frustrating and somewhat lame to have to defend or deal with for an entire club race...unless there's some close points race or $$ involved. I usually just let them go.
07-22-2011, 02:08 PM
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Mark, you think that was "great racing"? Wow...
07-22-2011, 02:13 PM
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Blocking or not, to me it's not much fun to race this way for either car when it's from lap 1, it's frustrating and somewhat lame to have to defend or deal with for an entire club race...unless there's some close points race or $$ involved. I usually just let them go.
07-22-2011, 02:27 PM
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it bugs me whe folks see some great racing and then bash on the guy in front as a "blocker". he is not blocking. he is in front and has the right to drive narrow, or sloppy or whatever. if you are so much faster, pass him!!
your start was subpar, as 5 cars blew by and the red 911 was one of them (kind of further back too!), when you edged out to the dirt, with no room, just because you got a little jump on the flag. all you needed to do was to get on the red BMW's bumper and hang with him from the start,then the 911 would have been following you the entire race, posting on the BMW boards about how YOU were blocking.
sometimes the race is won at the start. we had a lot of close races , where who ever got the lead at the start and didnt make any mistakes would take the win. all our times were almost identical in qual.
all joshing aside, he has a slightly faster car, you are better under braking and the guy has the advantage of "figuring" out the leading car. you need to study more, figure out his weaknesses and then pounce. see how easily the 944 got by under braking? see how close you got under braking on that one turn where in the last race, you didnt get it done? those are you advantage spots. you dont do yourself any service by riding his bumper, taking bad lines and giving up throttle to keep from hitting him. you need to back off a little , do more of the sizzor manuvers and get off those turns with confidence with full throttle and go for it!
thats some good ole racing. i wouldnt say or feel a thing negative to the red porsche. blocking is making two moves before a turn, as in, going down low to take a early apex, and then as you are tryingt o pass, the guy, darts out in front to "block" and then take the traditional line.. or down a straight, going back and forth to keep you from passing.
your start was subpar, as 5 cars blew by and the red 911 was one of them (kind of further back too!), when you edged out to the dirt, with no room, just because you got a little jump on the flag. all you needed to do was to get on the red BMW's bumper and hang with him from the start,then the 911 would have been following you the entire race, posting on the BMW boards about how YOU were blocking.
sometimes the race is won at the start. we had a lot of close races , where who ever got the lead at the start and didnt make any mistakes would take the win. all our times were almost identical in qual.
all joshing aside, he has a slightly faster car, you are better under braking and the guy has the advantage of "figuring" out the leading car. you need to study more, figure out his weaknesses and then pounce. see how easily the 944 got by under braking? see how close you got under braking on that one turn where in the last race, you didnt get it done? those are you advantage spots. you dont do yourself any service by riding his bumper, taking bad lines and giving up throttle to keep from hitting him. you need to back off a little , do more of the sizzor manuvers and get off those turns with confidence with full throttle and go for it!
thats some good ole racing. i wouldnt say or feel a thing negative to the red porsche. blocking is making two moves before a turn, as in, going down low to take a early apex, and then as you are tryingt o pass, the guy, darts out in front to "block" and then take the traditional line.. or down a straight, going back and forth to keep you from passing.
Going defensive is one thing, usually doesn't require more than 1-2 car widths off the normal line. If you are having to brake that shallow and apex that early to keep a car behind you....something else is wrong.
That was not great racing, that was multiple blocks per lap. As said, in a non-13/13 series he would have been punted. Using the 13/13 rule as a weapon on track is shameful, you have to respect the other racers around you.