Paddle shifters in the Flying Lizards RSR
02-14-2011, 12:20 AM
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You can't be serious.....really?!?!?!?! The Ferrari's in ALMS do this...you know what faster shifts mean. Also have you seen the lime green Speed Merchants 997.2 that races with PDK? Very competitive car!...this should pee you off more...they leave PDK in drive in Sport Chrono mode!...PDK is that good!
Doesn't seem like the RSR's using standard sequentials have been at too much a of a disadvantage considering they've won what 10 of the 11 total GT2 championships vs mainly Ferrari's.
At the rate we are going, anyone will be able to spend a couple hundred grand and call themselves a pro racer and run competitive times.
I'd be interested in seeing two cars exactly the same, but one with traditional sequential and one with paddles go at it.
02-14-2011, 10:33 AM
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Doesn't seem like the RSR's using standard sequentials have been at too much a of a disadvantage considering they've won what 10 of the 11 total GT2 championships vs mainly Ferrari's.
At the rate we are going, anyone will be able to spend a couple hundred grand and call themselves a pro racer and run competitive times.
I'd be interested in seeing two cars exactly the same, but one with traditional sequential and one with paddles go at it.
At the rate we are going, anyone will be able to spend a couple hundred grand and call themselves a pro racer and run competitive times.
I'd be interested in seeing two cars exactly the same, but one with traditional sequential and one with paddles go at it.
Yeah, that is pretty much how I see it as well.
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02-14-2011, 11:19 AM
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02-14-2011, 11:27 AM
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Doesn't seem like the RSR's using standard sequentials have been at too much a of a disadvantage considering they've won what 10 of the 11 total GT2 championships vs mainly Ferrari's.
At the rate we are going, anyone will be able to spend a couple hundred grand and call themselves a pro racer and run competitive times.
I'd be interested in seeing two cars exactly the same, but one with traditional sequential and one with paddles go at it.
At the rate we are going, anyone will be able to spend a couple hundred grand and call themselves a pro racer and run competitive times.
I'd be interested in seeing two cars exactly the same, but one with traditional sequential and one with paddles go at it.
The guys who have really tested it (and are good enough to really test it) say that while the overall fast lap time doesn't drop the average lap time will drop. Sure you can go out and hammer a crazy fast lap but especially with the incredibly short braking zones that some of the these cars have you are really extending the driver pretty far to keep them smooth and consistent in downshifts.
02-14-2011, 01:43 PM
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Paddle shifters in a racing Porsche just sounds & seems wrong. But even more wrong IMO is an auto-blip feaure on downshifts. I mean, come on: if ya can't properly blip the throttle on a downshift, a skill that ain't difficult, WTF are you doing in a full race car to begin with???
And as an example, I would hold up Chris Musante, who with his 20 year old chassis, air cooled engine, and our H-pattern dog box in his G50 gives the modern Cup Cars hell. That man can drive...
02-14-2011, 02:14 PM
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02-14-2011, 02:20 PM
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I don't think paddle shift on the same RSR tranny would make it any faster. It would still up shift at the same speed. The only advantage would be if you could left foot brake so the transition time front the throttle pedal to brake would be faster. The brake pressure would be easier to control without having to roll your foot to heel/toe but for top level guys that isn't a problem anyway.
I believe there is a company in England that has paddle shift conversions for the Porsche sequential. A pneumatic actuator to shift the cable up and down and a mechanical blipper for the downshifts would just about do it. Would need a switch to cut the ignition timing on the up shifts like the strain gauge does in the factory shifter.
I believe there is a company in England that has paddle shift conversions for the Porsche sequential. A pneumatic actuator to shift the cable up and down and a mechanical blipper for the downshifts would just about do it. Would need a switch to cut the ignition timing on the up shifts like the strain gauge does in the factory shifter.
02-14-2011, 02:20 PM
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I think he might have meant the places where the driver was braking w/o downshifting.
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02-14-2011, 02:57 PM
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I don't think paddle shift on the same RSR tranny would make it any faster. It would still up shift at the same speed. The only advantage would be if you could left foot brake so the transition time front the throttle pedal to brake would be faster. The brake pressure would be easier to control without having to roll your foot to heel/toe but for top level guys that isn't a problem anyway.
I believe there is a company in England that has paddle shift conversions for the Porsche sequential. A pneumatic actuator to shift the cable up and down and a mechanical blipper for the downshifts would just about do it. Would need a switch to cut the ignition timing on the up shifts like the strain gauge does in the factory shifter.
I believe there is a company in England that has paddle shift conversions for the Porsche sequential. A pneumatic actuator to shift the cable up and down and a mechanical blipper for the downshifts would just about do it. Would need a switch to cut the ignition timing on the up shifts like the strain gauge does in the factory shifter.
Sounds like a project for Gordon...
02-14-2011, 04:19 PM
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Plus at the rate Porsche evolves, it would homologate the paddle shifters for club guys in only 25 more years.
02-14-2011, 04:31 PM
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that is pure sex!
Considering that the RSR gearbox is derived directly from the RS Spyder, adapting paddleshift to a GT2 car should be pretty straightfoward.
It's been done before: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI9Jx...eature=related
It's been done before: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI9Jx...eature=related
02-14-2011, 04:34 PM
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The lost art (or soon to be), i agree!
Hey, try and take a lap in a 928 and then your 911, even Chris', will seem like a automatic!
Hey, try and take a lap in a 928 and then your 911, even Chris', will seem like a automatic!
I agree 100%. I really hate the dumbing down we're seeing in racecars. It makes it more about the machine than the man behind the wheel. All the electronic gizmos and PDKs and things are great for a high performance high tech. street car/track toy, but I'd like to see some purity and driver skill left in actual racing.
And as an example, I would hold up Chris Musante, who with his 20 year old chassis, air cooled engine, and our H-pattern dog box in his G50 gives the modern Cup Cars hell. That man can drive...
And as an example, I would hold up Chris Musante, who with his 20 year old chassis, air cooled engine, and our H-pattern dog box in his G50 gives the modern Cup Cars hell. That man can drive...
02-14-2011, 04:39 PM
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my eyes, my ears, ahhhhh! that was funny!
HeyVR, he was running around max torque the entire time though
I could hear it now after getting towed in. ... "Mr Buckler, I was just shifting normally, and it just died on me......... can I still get my diposit back? )
mk
HeyVR, he was running around max torque the entire time though
I could hear it now after getting towed in. ... "Mr Buckler, I was just shifting normally, and it just died on me......... can I still get my diposit back?
)mk
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