Astroman

I've done 8 races over the last 2 years. I don't recall anyone being bumped to another class or being disqualified in my class (or any other) at any of these races.

So either people aren't cheating OR you aren't very good at detecting it. Seriously, how often have you guys disqualified (or penalized) someone for cheating??

And the few instances of proven cheating that I've heard about invlolved a front running car. Again, at the races I've competed in, the slower cars don't get checked... why bother... we suck.

38D

I can't think of a single race I've scrut'd where I haven't bumped a car to a different class and also done at least one DQ. If you haven't seen it you're either not going to many races or not paying attention.

Gary R.

What you have to watch out for are talented cheaters.

996TT_STEVO

Agree, That's what I was meaning Larry

Geoffrey

Technically, we don't do the penalizing, that is the function of the race Steward, we only report out of compliance issues. Minor issues are a DQ and move to another class, Major ones are rare and have resulted in more serious outcomes.

As with Colin, I can think of only one race at CMP where I think we didn't find something worthy of a DQ.

924RACR

LOL... fun thread to read...

I used to run Penkse shock stickers on my IT car... just for fun.

I find those who tend to complain about cheating, not only don't often know too much about driving; they often don't even know how to set a car up properly! LOL

When we wrote the GTS rules - we know it'd be impossible to completely prevent cheating. If the pros can't prevent it, how could we? We chose, instead, to make it relatively unrewarding to do so - as best we could. That's also why there's the clause in the rules about cheating (dyno maps etc).

Enforcement is always a problem, no matter what.

My new rules set (DSR) is only 3.5 pages in the encyclopedia that is the SCCA GCR. Much better - no more worrying about washer bottles...

Sean F

The only change I'd like to see in PCA is an official protest action. Something similar to NASA where you can put up a bond and launch an official protest. The protest results in a scrut doing the full work up on a car (gears, cams, heads, etc.). You lose the protest, you lose the bond. Why couldn't that be instituted overnight? What happens now is that everybody sits around and bitches about somebody and sometimes they say something to the steward and sometimes a car gets looked at. Most of the time it's just guys stewing in the paddock or online. I know some are going to say you can protest now - what I'd like to see is an official action and process defined and followed by national that is evenly applied at all races.

38D

Propose an official rule change that describes the process.

jscott82

If I already know I suck, must I cheat?

Sean F

Tried once before. Will try again. Want to help me write it

Gary R.

See if you can't Pork Barrel in a passenger seat removal clause..

Carrera51

I say some public humiliation might not be a bad idea. Announce it in the drivers meeting when there is a serious violation like illegal pistons, hot cams etc, non stock gears in the transmission, etc. Those are blatant violations, not unintended oversights.

Look at the pro series. When someone is caught, the violation, the fine, any suspension etc are announced.

944Cup

Easy to write the rule, actually implementing another story. NASA has such a provision but in 10 years of racing with NASA, never saw the protest rule used in our classes. NASA really had no one present that had the technical skills or time to perform the inspection. Plus the driver is responsible for taking the car (engine, tranny or whatever) apart and for reassembly. How many of us are going to put up with that crap in the middle of a race weekend. I would take my car somewhere else to race where things aren't that serious. .

jscott82

Interesting data developing so far...
77% Don’t cheat but think others do
15% Profess to cheating themselves.

I find this very interesting, in that the shops I have talked with over the last couple of years all said the same thing. We can build it "stock" or we can build it to win. This was not just one shop, this is everyone I talked to. Add to that, read any racing biography and there are always tales of how rules were cleverly "bent", bending is part of the game as much as driving.

In my book (and I tend to be honest to a fault): If "bending" is the unwritten rule, then that adds to the fun creative part of the sport and needs to be done.... But if the majority of participants see the rules as absolute, then cheating is for cads and thieves and does not belong.... Just trying to figure where we are, as I plan to dive headlong back into racing in 2011.

Gary R.

Sean humiliated me at Summit so now I feel I have a couple cheat races banked..