A.Wayne

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You can only buy them in a set of 4. Gotta cut them out of my back door with a butter knife so be prepared to pay top dollar for custom work!

A.Wayne

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A.Wayne

Ohhh what a tangle web ...............


By Jonathan Noble and Michele Lostia Friday, July 16th 2010, 17:44 GMT

Ferrari was not given an immediate order by the FIA for Fernando Alonso to give back his position to Robert Kubica at Silverstone, according to newly-published information relating to the pit wall radio conversations that took place during the British Grand Prix.

FIA race director Charlie Whiting told Italian magazine Autosprint earlier this week that he advised Ferrari straight away to let Kubica retake his position from Alonso.

However, according to a detailed report in Gazzetta dello Sport today, the team's version of events is very different.

Massimo Rivola, Ferrari's team manager, told the newspaper: "This is not polemics, these are elements to clarify why Ferrari made certain decisions and the logic behind them, after Alonso's move on Kubica."

According to Gazzetta dello Sport, this is the chronology of the events from Ferrari's perspective.

13:31:05 The overtaking move takes place at Club and after one second Rivola calls Whiting, who replies after 11 seconds. Rivola asks: 'Have you seen the pass? In our opinion there was no room to overtake.'

26 secs after the pass, Whiting asks to be given time to watch the TV footage.

13:33 Ferrari makes a second radio call - 1m55s after the pass. Alonso has completed another lap plus one sector, and is behind Nico Rosberg and Jaime Alguersuari, while Kubica drops further back.

Whiting tells Ferrari that the stewards think Alonso could give the position back. Rivola asks: 'Is this the decision?'

Whiting replies: 'No, but that's how we see it.'

Rivola informs the team while Rosberg overtakes Alguersuari. On the GPS screen that shows the position of the cars, Ferrari sees Kubica dropping further back. Meanwhile, Alonso overtakes Alguersuari at Turn 2.

13:33:22 Ferrari makes a third radio call.

Rivola tells Whiting: 'Alonso doesn't have only Kubica behind. He would have to concede two positions now.'

While they discuss the matter Kubica is overtaken by Barrichello so Alonso would have to now give up three positions.

Whiting replies: 'We have given you the chance to do it or not. Things being this way, the stewards will hear the drivers at the end of the race, but I understand your position.'

13:35:30 Kubica stops so Alonso can no longer give the position back.

13:45:31 The stewards investigate the Alonso/Kubica incident. The monitors then display 'car number 8 under investigation', 14m26s after the pass.

13:46:26 Just 55 seconds later the stewards decide that Alonso should have a drive-through penalty.\



Coincidence after all that BS smoke and mirrors discussion by whiting the decision to penalize Alonso, happened when Button was the one to benefit.


FIA ........... Forever Interrupting Alonso ......

ltc

Excuse me Sir, but weren't you in fact the person who defined the FIA as "Ferrari International Assistance" when Alonso was NOT driving for Ferrari?

It would seem as though the official definition of FIA is therefore somewhat subjective...

Stop looking for FIA officials hiding behind grassy knolls....Alonso has failed to deliver, is NOT a team builder, and Ferrari is devolving into what it was prior to the arrival of "you know who"

Veloce Raptor

He is clinically insane.









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RajDatta

Fixed it!

Ray S

It's really hard to know where Wayne's nose ends and Fernando's a** begins....

If she fails it must be someone else's fault (in Waynes world).

MJSpeed

That occurred the day that Todt and Brawn left, preceded by Stepney...all way before Alonso's arrival at Ferrari.

enduro911

Assuming that the Italian article is being truthful, the FIA handled this very poorly. They really need to make a ruling on a decision within a given time frame, or assess a time penalty after the race which could possibly affect the position of the car in question. This isn't a sport like football or basketball where you can just stop the action to review something.

I think you could make a good argument for blaming or not blaming Alonso. Ideally, he should be able to think and operate independently of the pit. That said, if he's been focused on climbing through the field and is actively involved in racing with other cars, it'd be easy for him to just defer.

Ray S

Bingo, we have a winner. Alonso never seems to have any trouble thinking independently when it comes to say passing a teamate on pit in for example. However, he thought he'd slide on an obvious illegal pass?

He was in the driver seat and he knew what he had just done. He brought the penalty on himself, this was not the teams fault.

A.Wayne

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enduro911

Because Ferrari asked for a ruling after only one second, the only circumstances in which I think it's possible to come to a reasonable conclusion about how much Alonso is to blame are these.

- First, we have to know whether it is common for the driver rely on the team to tell him to let the other car pass. This is particularly true in less certain situations like the one in question. If this is the case, it's likely that Ferrari were looking for an answer, didn't get one, and could not communicate with Alonso.

- If this isn't the case and it's up to the driver, we need to determine if Alonso called the team to ask about whether to let Kubica pass him. If he made the assumption that he should keep going, then I believe he is at fault because he should be asking for communication, despite whether he ever gets an answer. If he called the team and never got a decisive answer, then I don't think it's unreasonable to keep going.

Sean F

alonso called the team to ask them to complain about Kubica

9.5 Degrees

From the on board shot in ALonso's car, it certainly looked like he was pushed off track at Club. Alonso asks his team for a clarification, and now it comes out with timed details down to the second that Ferrari asked Whiting for clarification on 3 different occasions, but they failed to deliver a clear decision until they impose a drive through penalty much later than the actual infraction occurred.

In the meantime, Kubica dropped out with an engine failure, Alonso had passed multiple cars on track and is then given the penalty?

It's clear that either the FIA is incompetent or they are blatently favoring the two McLaren drivers. There can be no other reason.

I'm really sick of the FIA CYA. They released a press release last week that made it sound like THEY told Ferrari on 3 different occasions to have Alonso repass Kubica, but the team didn't pass it on to Alonso.

Now, the team releases evidence on radio that the FIA was the one that was asked 3 times and they never delivered a clear ruling until it was too late. THe FIA just leaves a bad taste in the mouth of true fans when they act like this. This is MAFIA at it's worst!!!!!