So Danica is one of the best ever at her profession? Because she won one race and finished third at another?

Never consistently dominated as the best at her position (driver) for seasons on end.

Will Danica go into racing hall of fame because of her racing accomplishments as the people you mentioned have gone or are going to their halls of fame because of theirs in their sports?



This is getting to the point of nonsense Danica actually gets compared to actual champions and people who were the best at their profession however being the best individual in a team sport means exactly nothing.


Where would Danica be with a crap crew, or crap car [no defense, or no rest of team (Barry Sanders)]. Where would Danica stand if she were racing against Ayrton Senna (Jordan)???

 

Ok, I headed over to Wikipedia to see how her c.v. compares...

• As a kid, she won several World Karting Association championships
• She moved to England at age 16 and took second place in Britain's Formula Ford Festival
• In 2002, she moved to the Toyota Atlantic Championships, where she was a consistent podium finisher
• In 2005, she tied the record for most pole positions by a rookie in the IRL series. She led the Indy 500 at one point and finished 4th in the race. She was also named rookie of the year.
• In 2006, she had 2 4th place finishes in IRL
• In 2007, she finished 2nd at Belle Isle. Also, she ran as high as 2nd place in the Indy 500.
• In 2008, she won the Indy Japan 300. Overall, she finished the 2008 IndyCar season in 6th place - the highest finish by an American driver that year.
• In 2009, she took 3rd place in the Indy 500. She finished the 2009 season 5th overall, which was not only the highest of any of the Andretti Autosport drivers, but of any non-Penske or Ganassi driver for the 2009 season

No argument that she has not won often, but she is always among the top drivers.

 

Land Jet--haven't you been the one dropping classless bombs, using language I find derogatory to women these last few weeks?? Implying that Danica got her rides because she has a "slit" or "p***y"??? To me it seems you are here unburdening a chip you have on your shoulder toward women, especially those who do not conform to your ideal of what a woman should be. I have sat back and listened to you rag on! Did you get passed over for promotion by the hot chick at work?

https://rennlist.com/forums/7294022-post49.html

Here's a clue for you-- loving pictures of beautiful women and calling Alonso a girl does not make VR a misogynist. I have found him to be encouraging of women at the track here on this forum, whereas you undermine women who may come here, making them feel as if their desires are wrong.... to be who they need to be, in taking on a race car that demands high levels of fitness, they will lose their feminine appeal. She has to have that kind of muscular body to handle the loads put on her physically, how else would she get this far?

I'm no big Danica fan, I've seen her bitchy, but spending my adult working career in a male dominated field, I have a feeling for what she is up against. I don't care if your opinion differs from mine and you are free to express it here in a civilized manor, though you've chosen to be rude. A line in your signature on another forum now takes on new meaning:

 

I agree. Not everyone is going to be champion or even win a race. Look at the NASCAR field... it's a tiny handful that win any races. But the other 30 or so deserve to be out there.

To have a race you have to have a field of competitors, not just winners. Even if you're last place in an open-wheel race car, you can still do something that would cause 90% of the population to pass out or throw up on the first curve.

And, yeah, it's about money and marketability more than skill. I guess that's why I've become less and less interested in professional sports.

 

I have gold medals from a national martial arts tournament in which I fought all men. You can't look feminine and sexy when you're yelling, kicking, and bleeding.

You're right, you need muscles, confidence, and "attitude" if you're going to compete in physically demanding sports. It can be interpreted in many different ways. I often found myself trying to balance fitting in with the guys while not giving the impression of trying to be a guy.

Fortunately, all the men I ever dated liked my muscles And apparently I am feminine enough.

 

all is good "but her face" = butter face

no thanks needed, I am just happy to contribute

My take on Danica -- clearly she has some skills and chief among them is putting butts in the seats and getting ratings for a variety of reasons...

 

Isn't it a little early to judge her for what she accomplished or didn't accomplish in Arca and Nationwide????????????? And the BS about fuel mileage and pit strategy... come one... it is part of racing, a key part of it.

 

I think that this whole "crisis" about whether or not Danica deserves to be where she is at is nonsense. There are plenty of other racers in the same place as her, getting there through nepotism, or family money, or hollywood fame or like Danica, through other people's money. In fact, there are few other ways to get there. That she can hold her own against the boys is testimony to her skill. Beating them consistently would be above expectations.

Do any of you remember Annika Sörenstam who played against the men in the PCA Colonial tournament in 2003? If there was every a good old boy's club it is the PGA, and I don't remember the slightest negativism. In fact, most seemed genuinely sorry that she just missed the cut. So she went back to beating up the girls. For those of you who don't know her, she was one of the best females to play the game.

I'm sure that if there were a female racing league, Danica would easily be at the top of that show.

 

Fred,

It's not particularly fair of you to make that comment. Yes, there are people who dislike Danica because of outright or veiled misogyny. But it's inaccurate to paint everybody who dislikes her as sexist.

 

My point was that winning more doesn't give one license to be a douche, Tony Stewart included. I respect Stewart more because he's won at every level he's competed, but he's still a dick. Jimmie Johnson doesn't appear to feel the need to be a jerk and no one can question his ability and championships.

Personally, I didn't see anything wrong with Danica's interview that started this thread. Is she abrasive at times? Yes, but imagine getting the same type of sexist people always questioning you regardless of what you do.

You won in Japan? Oh, well someone ran out of gas.

You podiumed at the INDY 500, well, something else must have been the case.

You won an INDY League championship (should it happen), well she had the best equipment. etc. etc. etc.

The bottom line is she is on the 3rd best team in INDY behind Ganassi and Penske. She came in best of her 4 racer team including a well respected racer, Tony Kannan. She gets better and better each year. She would be a fool to turn down the opportunities that are presented to her.

 

There is no untruth to what I said above about Danika. And they were said before the *** kicking "lady" made her presence known. I've never been passed over for a job by a woman because I've always been self employed. And the truth is I don't hate women, but I absolutely refuse to be manipulated by them. At this stage of my life, 61, that means being happily single. You have no idea what experiences I have gone through in my life.

Milka has not lost her feminine appeal, that is more an American feminist thing. I'd like to see Milka win, I think she would handle it with grace and charm.

 

+1... and this "debate" got started from a crash in which the other driver takes 100% of the blame?!!! (Very rare case among racers, so it makes it more unquestionable whose fault is it).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xvzbrVTijY

... what's wrong with some people here? We should do a poll and see how many racers do think they would be faster than Danica in their own car at a PCA race.

 

More on who does and doesn't have a ride:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdCZTqDw32I

 

[QUOTE=cgomez;7374423... what's wrong with some people here? We should do a poll and see how many racers do think they would be faster than Danica in their own car at a PCA race.[/QUOTE]

I think VR summed it up when he said Danica jumped into Bill Auberlens M3 at a track she had never been to before, in a car she had never driven before and not only beat Auberliens best time, but set a track record with that car.

She's a paid professional and spends her 8-12 hours a day at her profession, just like some of the CPAs, engineers and business owners do on this board.

This comes up every once in a while and everyone on this board would get mopped up and lapped very quickly.

 

Nobody said we are better drivers than Danika. We said she is an also ran that hasn't won any championships but gets more publicity than those that do. Have you read any of the other posts?