2009 Hungarian Grand Prix race preview, discussion, predictions
07-21-2009, 01:04 PM
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You have to get over this Wayne. Maybe a little therapy would help. Button, if he wins the WDC, would not be the first driver F1 driver with average skills (by F1 standards) to do so. It is rare where a driver is so superior that he can win with a second tier car.
Button wins because he has a top tier car that likes to be driven smoothly, just his style. The fact that Barrichello, a more aggressive driver is somewhat off Button's pace illuminates that.
If you measure results based on the last race or 2 rather than over the course of the season, then by your standards, Webber is every bit as fast and as talented as Vettel.
The conditions that the results occur under are every bit as important as the results themselves.
Button wins because he has a top tier car that likes to be driven smoothly, just his style. The fact that Barrichello, a more aggressive driver is somewhat off Button's pace illuminates that.
If you measure results based on the last race or 2 rather than over the course of the season, then by your standards, Webber is every bit as fast and as talented as Vettel.
The conditions that the results occur under are every bit as important as the results themselves.
you need to get over your newly acquired love affair of Button ( as well as others here ) Button is a has been that never was, i said this months ago and it was obvious the team was working over Barrichello to help button , most blatantly again in the last race ...
Barrichello off Button's pace .
......Myopia prevails ...... when larry ? like the last race ... 
Button is doing as expected as the Brawn loses it's 2 seconds a lap advantage, he will start sliding backwards as the others catch up and pass
as both Button and Brawn run out of talent ....
Now you are telling me about Webbo
I said yrs ago would someone please give webbo a car , so pleaeeee, look back at the beginning of the season , where i stated that webbo would need 6 months to recoup from his injuries then i expect him to be on par with vettel ...
The only reason RBull is not ahead of Brawn is because of Webbo and Vettel needing time to settle down , both will start to pegg Brawn constantly as the red Bull is the best chassis ( said so again pre-season ) currently and there drivers inexperience is what really opened such a big door for Brawn .
Ahhhh to explain all ..............................................
07-21-2009, 01:13 PM
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07-21-2009, 01:17 PM
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Actually considering that Vettel has had the lighter car in every race for qualy, sometimes quite significantly and is only ahead of Webber by 2 points, I'd say he's arguably driving just as well as Vettel. Red Bull may say equal treatment, but there is no such thing in F1 for one team. They do have the best combination of youth/talent + experience/savy on the grid by far.
Get over yourself Wayne. Perhaps you need a little reminder of what I said 20 months ago. Click here for proof!
Larry , what's your point ? we both supported webbo , search my yute ..
Now about that wagonist disease
07-21-2009, 04:01 PM
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As far as the Button/Barrichello thing, I think that once we get back to some hot climates, because of the Brawn's temperature related lack of grip, Button will once again be clearly faster than Barrichello. If he isn't, feel free to bash him some more.
07-21-2009, 04:16 PM
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1) Vettel - Better Drover
2) Button - Better Car
3) Hamilton - Improving Car
4) Barrichello - Lesser Drover
5) Massa - Lesser Car
Also rans........
What the hell has happened to Kimi? Bad car but.... where is his competitive heart?
2) Button - Better Car
3) Hamilton - Improving Car
4) Barrichello - Lesser Drover
5) Massa - Lesser Car
Also rans........
What the hell has happened to Kimi? Bad car but.... where is his competitive heart?
07-21-2009, 04:24 PM
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07-21-2009, 04:47 PM
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We have both pushed for webbo over the yrs ,,,, you are recently swinging on Button .....
If not i would like to see how great and smooth you thought Button was last year or the year before that , or how much better he was than barrichello last year ...
I guess Barichello is using different tires ..............
I think you need to review as Button has only been better than Barrichello over a couple races ,( with obvious team help all season ) Monaco is the most recent and if you watch that race again it is obvious why .
The last race was such a slap in Barrichello's face,,, what a fruitcake to put up with it ......
07-21-2009, 04:49 PM
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anything to discuss on F1 .. ahh thought so Mr also ran
07-21-2009, 05:07 PM
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The Irony indeed ........
I have never been on a race track in my life. In fact, the only "tracks" that I am familiar with I created by needles on my forearms. I sure am jealous of that VR fellow for actually getting 5 uninterrupted minutes of TV time while I am just a miserable Jamaican has-been who writes computer code in a windowless cubicle in Miami pontificating endlessly on stuff I know nothing about.
I have never been on a race track in my life. In fact, the only "tracks" that I am familiar with I created by needles on my forearms. I sure am jealous of that VR fellow for actually getting 5 uninterrupted minutes of TV time while I am just a miserable Jamaican has-been who writes computer code in a windowless cubicle in Miami pontificating endlessly on stuff I know nothing about.
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07-21-2009, 05:18 PM
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Mr. A. Wayne,
So who'd you pick for the top step in Hungary.
I got confused in all the chatroom fight.
I was on track a few times. I love those pre-grid events that let you go walk amongst the cars/drivers and grid grrls with the flags.
So who'd you pick for the top step in Hungary.
I got confused in all the chatroom fight.
I was on track a few times. I love those pre-grid events that let you go walk amongst the cars/drivers and grid grrls with the flags.
07-21-2009, 05:20 PM
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07-21-2009, 05:30 PM
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See, this is where I have to disagree with you based on first-hand experience. I have a friend who is pretty quick in his own right, but is much more aggressive with his steering inputs, etc than I am. He is able to get enough heat into his MPSCs to get them to work, where as I generally cannot. Put us on Hoosiers though, and I will run away from him.