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07-15-2009, 05:12 PM
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Only dynojet numbers are accepted on a protest.
I had a long talk with Ian the National Director. Turns out that there is currently a serious problem with the GTS rules. You can turn in a dyno from any manufacturer that you want to class yourself. So, in theory you could use a mustang dyno, that shows substantially less HP than the dynojet, to get yourself into a lower class. Then, unless someone protests you, nothing can be done. I am hoping that this will be changed for 2010.
For my car, I could use my mustang numbers and add less than 20 lbs and class myself in GTS2!!!!!!! Using the dynojet, I am close to the minimum wt/hp for GTS3.
I had a long talk with Ian the National Director. Turns out that there is currently a serious problem with the GTS rules. You can turn in a dyno from any manufacturer that you want to class yourself. So, in theory you could use a mustang dyno, that shows substantially less HP than the dynojet, to get yourself into a lower class. Then, unless someone protests you, nothing can be done. I am hoping that this will be changed for 2010.
For my car, I could use my mustang numbers and add less than 20 lbs and class myself in GTS2!!!!!!! Using the dynojet, I am close to the minimum wt/hp for GTS3.
07-15-2009, 05:14 PM
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Ya know....I don't think I've ever been weighed either. PCA...2x per weekend at VIR!
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07-15-2009, 05:15 PM
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I see it a lot in NASA and not much you can do about it. People know that you can make a dyno sheet look just about any way you want. For me, it would take the fun out of it. I've worked very hard to optimize my car for the classes I run in and worked very hard on the driver also. So, when I'm blessed enough to win, it feels great. If I had to fudge to get there...well I think I would rob myself of the true enjoyment of the sport.
07-15-2009, 05:16 PM
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07-15-2009, 05:23 PM
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GTS Rulebook:
Competitors must produce a dynamometer certification from the last 12 months and dynamometer certification form upon demand and should keep copies of both with their vehicle logbook. Any competitor without a dynamometer certification will be placed into GTSU until they can produce a certification. A competitor must recertify their car if any changes have been made since the last certification run. Competitors may use any brand of dyno for certification, but all compliance runs at events will be made on a Dynojet Model 248, 224, or 424 in SAE mode with a smoothing factor of 4 so it is highly recommended to use one of those dynos with those settings for certification to avoid any errors in classification.
Competitors must produce a dynamometer certification from the last 12 months and dynamometer certification form upon demand and should keep copies of both with their vehicle logbook. Any competitor without a dynamometer certification will be placed into GTSU until they can produce a certification. A competitor must recertify their car if any changes have been made since the last certification run. Competitors may use any brand of dyno for certification, but all compliance runs at events will be made on a Dynojet Model 248, 224, or 424 in SAE mode with a smoothing factor of 4 so it is highly recommended to use one of those dynos with those settings for certification to avoid any errors in classification.
07-15-2009, 05:24 PM
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Max is 4 tires per event for any competitor regardless of the number of classes you race in.
07-15-2009, 05:25 PM
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07-15-2009, 05:27 PM
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It's easy to weigh the cars, of course, so they should at least be doing that, and comparing it to the submitted dyno sheet. I know that isn't ideal, but at a 11:1 weight to power ratio, 20 hp =220 lbs. If you know a guy is in GTS3 and his dyno is 300 rwhp, he'd better weigh 3300 lbs!
07-15-2009, 05:29 PM
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GTS Rulebook:
Competitors must produce a dynamometer certification from the last 12 months and dynamometer certification form upon demand and should keep copies of both with their vehicle logbook. Any competitor without a dynamometer certification will be placed into GTSU until they can produce a certification. A competitor must recertify their car if any changes have been made since the last certification run. Competitors may use any brand of dyno for certification, but all compliance runs at events will be made on a Dynojet Model 248, 224, or 424 in SAE mode with a smoothing factor of 4 so it is highly recommended to use one of those dynos with those settings for certification to avoid any errors in classification.
Competitors must produce a dynamometer certification from the last 12 months and dynamometer certification form upon demand and should keep copies of both with their vehicle logbook. Any competitor without a dynamometer certification will be placed into GTSU until they can produce a certification. A competitor must recertify their car if any changes have been made since the last certification run. Competitors may use any brand of dyno for certification, but all compliance runs at events will be made on a Dynojet Model 248, 224, or 424 in SAE mode with a smoothing factor of 4 so it is highly recommended to use one of those dynos with those settings for certification to avoid any errors in classification.
Out of curiosity.
So what if I protested someone and there isn't a Dynojet on site?
07-15-2009, 05:35 PM
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07-15-2009, 05:45 PM
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07-15-2009, 05:45 PM
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GTS is basically running on the "honor system", which isn't really the best way to control cheaters. I'd like to think (and do think) all the guys I race with in Mid Atlantic are honest, but all it takes is one snake and the system has failed. The GTS3 class in MA has really become an awesome group this year with good numbers every weekend and very tight racing, so any small advantage will be very beneficial. Unfortunately, this close racing is what makes people think about trying to get an advantage somehow...usually cheating.