Notices
Racing & Drivers Education Forum
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

I signed up with a well known pro. coach...........

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 07-12-2009 | 09:33 AM
  #76  
Veloce Raptor's Avatar
Veloce Raptor
Rennlist Member
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 41,906
Likes: 1,752
From: All Ate Up With Motor
Default

Originally Posted by Sean F
the problem is that Paolo's setup is completely f*cked. He needs to get it fixed asap. This car is not capable of winning anything with the current setup. It looks like it's going to roll over in corners. I followed him for many laps over the last two days at Thunderbolt. It's scary to watch. This is but one example. I kindly ask all from questioning his droving technique in the video - this car is messed up, trust me. That's Gary R in a very well setup car in front of him. Watch the behavior of Gary's car compared to Paolo's. Don't be distracted by the front right tire, watch the right rear and how much roll there is and then how it slams back to the ground when he turns back to the left.

http://www.vimeo.com/5556827

Wow....




Professional Racing and Driving Coach
Old 07-12-2009 | 09:39 AM
  #77  
FredC's Avatar
FredC
Drifting
 
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 3,052
Likes: 68
From: Connecticut
Default

Sean, great video again.

Were you and Gary going 10/10?


Originally Posted by Sean F
the problem is that Paolo's setup is completely f*cked. He needs to get it fixed asap. This car is not capable of winning anything with the current setup. It looks like it's going to roll over in corners. I followed him for many laps over the last two days at Thunderbolt. It's scary to watch. This is but one example. I kindly ask all from questioning his droving technique in the video - this car is messed up, trust me. That's Gary R in a very well setup car in front of him. Watch the behavior of Gary's car compared to Paolo's. Don't be distracted by the front right tire, watch the right rear and how much roll there is and then how it slams back to the ground when he turns back to the left.

http://www.vimeo.com/5556827
Old 07-12-2009 | 09:47 AM
  #78  
Sean F's Avatar
Sean F
NASA Racer
Rennlist Member
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 4,778
Likes: 34
From: Westchester, NY
Default

Never really put a full 10/10 lap together, did find the limit on most of the turns though. This is a very interesting track for our cars. There are two extremely fast turns taken flat (T3, T14) and two that are close (T2, T4). Not sure of the gearing on several sections - Gary will look at data after the weekend. The octopus entry is very technical. I have video for you of full laps.
Old 07-12-2009 | 09:48 AM
  #79  
BobbyC's Avatar
BobbyC
Rennlist Member
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 2,255
Likes: 3
From: By the ocean
Default

Originally Posted by Sean F
the problem is that Paolo's setup is completely f*cked. He needs to get it fixed asap. This car is not capable of winning anything with the current setup. It looks like it's going to roll over in corners. I followed him for many laps over the last two days at Thunderbolt. It's scary to watch. This is but one example. I kindly ask all from questioning his droving technique in the video - this car is messed up, trust me. That's Gary R in a very well setup car in front of him. Watch the behavior of Gary's car compared to Paolo's. Don't be distracted by the front right tire, watch the right rear and how much roll there is and then how it slams back to the ground when he turns back to the left.

http://www.vimeo.com/5556827
^ I wholly concur. I followed Paolo for a few laps and saw this every time he turned into the righthander in the Octopus. Actually, I'm quite impressed with his droving...that he could hold it all together with whatever is wrong with the suspension. Would be enlightening to learn what is broken.
Old 07-12-2009 | 10:13 AM
  #80  
Bull's Avatar
Bull
Addict
Lifetime Rennlist
Member
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 12,346
Likes: 4
From: New Jersey
Default

Originally Posted by Sean F
the problem is that Paolo's setup is completely f*cked. He needs to get it fixed asap. This car is not capable of winning anything with the current setup. It looks like it's going to roll over in corners. I followed him for many laps over the last two days at Thunderbolt. It's scary to watch. This is but one example. I kindly ask all from questioning his droving technique in the video - this car is messed up, trust me. That's Gary R in a very well setup car in front of him. Watch the behavior of Gary's car compared to Paolo's. Don't be distracted by the front right tire, watch the right rear and how much roll there is and then how it slams back to the ground when he turns back to the left.

http://www.vimeo.com/5556827
F'd up is an understatement! That is beyond a "bad set-up". It looks like something(s) is broken, or totally used up and needs to be replaced. If you can't get that fixed before the coaching session, cancel!
Old 07-12-2009 | 10:32 AM
  #81  
FredC's Avatar
FredC
Drifting
 
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 3,052
Likes: 68
From: Connecticut
Default

Originally Posted by BostonDMD
Thanks Mike....

I will be running Thunderbolt tomorrow with Gary and Sean.....
Just trying to learn the track so I don't make you look bad during my session with David...
Paolo: send your car to DJ.... really.
Old 07-12-2009 | 11:00 AM
  #82  
BostonDMD's Avatar
BostonDMD
Thread Starter
Rennlist Member
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 7,030
Likes: 21
From: SC
Default

The car will be dropped off to Dan Jacobs today on my way back home....

A big thanks to Sean and Gary for pointing out the problem..........

Hopefully with the right set up and coaching I can drove a little better.....
Old 07-12-2009 | 11:30 AM
  #83  
Gary R.'s Avatar
Gary R.
Rennlist Member
 
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 15,603
Likes: 292
From: Valencia, Spain
Default

Originally Posted by Gary R.
We are leaving here at lunchtime and he is following me to Daniel Jacobs LLC. Sean was good enough to forward the video link to Dan in an email and I left him a message. The video says it all, corner entry speed the same, line the same, and Sean and my car rotate and go through there flat. Watching Paolo go through there and the preceding turn that sets it up is wild. His right front wheel actually isn't even turning most of the time!!!! Dan will get to the bottom of it, set his car up correctly (front camber wasn't right either, tire outsides corded), and then the rest will be up to Paolo.
Old 07-12-2009 | 12:26 PM
  #84  
TwentySix's Avatar
TwentySix
Rennlist Member
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 422
Likes: 0
From: Here in my car
Default

Did you guys run the chicane? If so, how did you like it?
Old 07-12-2009 | 05:55 PM
  #85  
Astroman's Avatar
Astroman
Rennlist Member
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 1,997
Likes: 2
From: Lexington, KY
Default

Originally Posted by BostonDMD
The car will be dropped off to Dan Jacobs today on my way back home....
Let us know what he finds (or changes).
Old 07-12-2009 | 08:09 PM
  #86  
Gary R.'s Avatar
Gary R.
Rennlist Member
 
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 15,603
Likes: 292
From: Valencia, Spain
Default

Originally Posted by TwentySix
Did you guys run the chicane? If so, how did you like it?
No chicane, track is quite fast!
Old 07-14-2009 | 09:18 PM
  #87  
BostonDMD's Avatar
BostonDMD
Thread Starter
Rennlist Member
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 7,030
Likes: 21
From: SC
Default

Well folks...... an update on the findings of the car (if anyone cares)

The existing suspension was very tired being over 15 years old and showed major signs of wear......

A whole new suspension is necessary with new torsion and sway bars, revalving the shocks, new rear wheel bearings, new cv boots, etc. etc.

Needless to say, I had to cancel with DM...........

On the brigth side, a 2% leakdown test showed signs of excellent engine health....

So......I guess the reason the car was not "podiuming" like it did 9 years ago is not entirely this driver's fault........

Thanks you for listening.... see most of you at T-bolt CR........
Old 07-14-2009 | 09:25 PM
  #88  
FredC's Avatar
FredC
Drifting
 
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 3,052
Likes: 68
From: Connecticut
Default

Originally Posted by BostonDMD
A whole new suspension is necessary with new torsion and sway bars, revalving the shocks, new rear wheel bearings, new cv boots, etc. etc.

Needless to say, I had to cancel with DM...........
Irony is cruel.
Old 07-14-2009 | 09:41 PM
  #89  
Gary R.'s Avatar
Gary R.
Rennlist Member
 
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 15,603
Likes: 292
From: Valencia, Spain
Default

16 years ago the car had the latest and greatest!
Old 07-14-2009 | 10:57 PM
  #90  
CWay27's Avatar
CWay27
Rennlist Member
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 3,854
Likes: 0
From: Montreal, Canada
Default

My sport suspension lasted 5 years on my daily driver. Imagine a track suspension on a track car..... I don't know who is your mechanic but I would be a little frustrated that he never noticed anything wrong after all those inspection.


Quick Reply: I signed up with a well known pro. coach...........



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 06:11 PM.