Notices
Racing & Drivers Education Forum
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

How do I convert Minutes to tenths of a degree?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 04-03-2009, 09:00 PM
  #1  
trackjunky
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
 
trackjunky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: The right side of Leftville
Posts: 1,445
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default How do I convert Minutes to tenths of a degree?

I just had a revelation about my alignment. I am using SMART strings to align my car and the chart documents 10ths of a degree while Porsche uses minutes.

Factory GT3 rear toe is 0 degrees 10 minutes + 5 minutes/-0 minutes (per side). I need to convert this into 10ths of a degree to use the SMART strings chart. I'm no math wiz but here it goes:

60 minutes in 1 degree so 10/60 = .1667
+5 minutes would be 15/60 or .25

So rear toe in would be .1667 to .25. Using the SMART strings chart and a measured wheel diameter of 19" I should be 3/64ths to 6/64ths of an inch. Right?
Old 04-03-2009, 09:04 PM
  #2  
Larry Herman
Rennlist
Basic Site Sponsor
 
Larry Herman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Columbus, NJ
Posts: 10,432
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Sounds right to me. I used to setup my GT3 with 3/32s toe-in on each side. Was very stable & didn't chew up the rear tires.
__________________
Larry Herman
2016 Ford Transit Connect Titanium LWB
2018 Tesla Model 3 - Electricity can be fun!
Retired Club Racer & National PCA Instructor
Past Flames:
1994 RS America Club Racer
2004 GT3 Track Car
1984 911 Carrera Club Racer
1974 914/4 2.0 Track Car

CLICK HERE to see some of my ancient racing videos.

Old 04-03-2009, 09:08 PM
  #3  
trackjunky
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
 
trackjunky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: The right side of Leftville
Posts: 1,445
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by Larry Herman
Sounds right to me. I used to setup my GT3 with 3/32s toe-in on each side. Was very stable & didn't chew up the rear tires.
Interesting, that would be the factory maximum but my gut says that's where I need to be at. I'm at 3/64ths and it's not right. I think I have too little toe and when it squats under acceleration I go to toe out.
Old 04-03-2009, 09:50 PM
  #4  
Bob Rouleau

Still plays with cars.
Lifetime Rennlist
Member
 
Bob Rouleau's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Montreal
Posts: 15,078
Received 255 Likes on 119 Posts
Default

Too little rear toe will also make the car wag its tail under hard braking.
Old 04-03-2009, 10:00 PM
  #5  
MTosi
User
 
MTosi's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Sterling, MA
Posts: 1,467
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

For a second I though I was posting over on the long range shooting boards... (Minutes or MOA are what we use to factor wind/elevation, etc.) Looks correct to me, although I'm used to going from Minutes to Mils and vice versa.
Old 04-03-2009, 10:10 PM
  #6  
ltc
Super Moderator
Needs More Cowbell

Lifetime Rennlist
Member
 
ltc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 29,323
Likes: 0
Received 10 Likes on 10 Posts
Default

Download Convert.exe (yes, it's safe for downloading).
Very handy utility to have on your PC.

http://wscope.com/convert.htm
Old 04-03-2009, 10:53 PM
  #7  
Larry Herman
Rennlist
Basic Site Sponsor
 
Larry Herman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Columbus, NJ
Posts: 10,432
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Thanks Lewis. I had something like that on my old iMac, and always wanted one for my PCs.
Old 04-03-2009, 11:07 PM
  #8  
mglobe
The Penguin King
Rennlist Member
 
mglobe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Houston
Posts: 9,834
Received 118 Likes on 84 Posts
Default

Bill you better check your units and see if you are supposed to be using metric degrees or not.
Old 04-03-2009, 11:32 PM
  #9  
trackjunky
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
 
trackjunky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: The right side of Leftville
Posts: 1,445
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by mglobe
Bill you better check your units and see if you are supposed to be using metric degrees or not.
OK, I'm biting, what's the difference?
Old 04-04-2009, 12:49 AM
  #10  
Larry Herman
Rennlist
Basic Site Sponsor
 
Larry Herman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Columbus, NJ
Posts: 10,432
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Hey Bill, I have a few metric adjustable wrenches for sale if you need any.
Old 04-04-2009, 01:07 AM
  #11  
mark kibort
Rennlist Member
 
mark kibort's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: saratoga, ca
Posts: 29,946
Received 141 Likes on 60 Posts
Default

on a 19" diameter, you can take the inches off parallel, and divide by the 19" diameter. just use a calculator and take that number and hit the INV TAN function. .5" is about 1.5degrees as you might find by looking at camber.
1/8" on toe, .125/19" Then use INV TAN, you will get .37 degrees or 22mins
Old 04-05-2009, 12:19 AM
  #12  
trackjunky
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
 
trackjunky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: The right side of Leftville
Posts: 1,445
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by Larry Herman
Hey Bill, I have a few metric adjustable wrenches for sale if you need any.
Sorry. I just spent some money on a whole set of left handed screw drivers.

I'm saving up for some "L" bracket. All I have left are brackets shaped like "7's".
Old 04-05-2009, 12:24 AM
  #13  
trackjunky
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
 
trackjunky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: The right side of Leftville
Posts: 1,445
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by mark kibort
on a 19" diameter, you can take the inches off parallel, and divide by the 19" diameter. just use a calculator and take that number and hit the INV TAN function. .5" is about 1.5degrees as you might find by looking at camber.
1/8" on toe, .125/19" Then use INV TAN, you will get .37 degrees or 22mins

Mark, thanks for the info. My brain hurt after reading that. Two glasses of Scotch and now I feel mutch butter. Camp't understnf whatcha' talkin bout.
Old 04-05-2009, 12:17 PM
  #14  
Larry Herman
Rennlist
Basic Site Sponsor
 
Larry Herman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Columbus, NJ
Posts: 10,432
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by trackjunky
I'm saving up for some "L" bracket. All I have left are brackets shaped like "7's".
Funny you mention that. I have a whole bunch of 7 brackets too, but when I put them in a box and shake it really hard, sometimes a few change into L brackets! Try it and see if it works for you.
Old 04-05-2009, 12:23 PM
  #15  
Veloce Raptor
Rennlist Member
 
Veloce Raptor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Guess...
Posts: 41,691
Received 1,487 Likes on 787 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by trackjunky
I just had a revelation about my alignment. I am using SMART strings to align my car and the chart documents 10ths of a degree while Porsche uses minutes.

Factory GT3 rear toe is 0 degrees 10 minutes + 5 minutes/-0 minutes (per side). I need to convert this into 10ths of a degree to use the SMART strings chart. I'm no math wiz but here it goes:

60 minutes in 1 degree so 10/60 = .1667
+5 minutes would be 15/60 or .25

So rear toe in would be .1667 to .25. Using the SMART strings chart and a measured wheel diameter of 19" I should be 3/64ths to 6/64ths of an inch. Right?
..

Last edited by Veloce Raptor; 05-24-2009 at 03:17 PM.


Quick Reply: How do I convert Minutes to tenths of a degree?



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 04:39 AM.