Maverick PCA at MSR (3.1) Sept 20-21
09-30-2008, 11:35 PM
#451
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that 944 spinning at the start was a code brown moment.
09-30-2008, 11:54 PM
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IMO, it's better to relax a bit there, and ensure stability and control where there is really no advantage to be gained, in order to better set up for the approach to the next corner, where an advantage can DEFINITELY be gained with the proper set up. It's doubtful anyone will attempt a pass in T5 for the reasons visible on the video. Heck, any pass there of relatively evenly matched cars will likely fail & not end well. But in T6? You betcherass! And if you can seize control in T6, you pretty much own the track until the hairpin (T8) unless you **** up at the bottom of the hill (T7).
10-01-2008, 06:58 AM
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LOL! Cold tires & trying too hard for an advantage in a place where there is none to be had.
IMO, it's better to relax a bit there, and ensure stability and control where there is really no advantage to be gained, in order to better set up for the approach to the next corner, where an advantage can DEFINITELY be gained with the proper set up. It's doubtful anyone will attempt a pass in T5 for the reasons visible on the video. Heck, any pass there of relatively evenly matched cars will likely fail & not end well. But in T6? You betcherass! And if you can seize control in T6, you pretty much own the track until the hairpin (T8) unless you **** up at the bottom of the hill (T7).
IMO, it's better to relax a bit there, and ensure stability and control where there is really no advantage to be gained, in order to better set up for the approach to the next corner, where an advantage can DEFINITELY be gained with the proper set up. It's doubtful anyone will attempt a pass in T5 for the reasons visible on the video. Heck, any pass there of relatively evenly matched cars will likely fail & not end well. But in T6? You betcherass! And if you can seize control in T6, you pretty much own the track until the hairpin (T8) unless you **** up at the bottom of the hill (T7).
10-01-2008, 07:56 AM
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Cold tires? Now that's funny. Based on his assessment, John and I spun there because we were trying to take it too fast... That or trying to pass someone (anyone)...
Dave, how many races have you had on the 3.1?
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10-01-2008, 09:51 AM
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I have raced the 3.1 once, in an enduro. Why do you ask?
PS: no, you spun there because you were off the apex by a mile.
10-01-2008, 10:44 AM
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Instead of a displaced apex, why not just take it as a late apex? That way you are almost aimed directly at T6 after hitting it, and you can take it as tight as possible since any disruption from the bumps are more up and down, and less lateral? It just requires a more deliberate placement to the left hand side of the track before turn-in. You're off-camber for longer, but 100% throttle right through the bumps.
10-01-2008, 10:46 AM
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Dave, write this down in your little blue notebook:
1.) This was not first lap of the race... No way the tires were cold.
2.) John lost it because of two reasons, he was having issues with the back end of the car (he almost didn't run the enduro) and he (like me) got on a dusty patch of track.
3.) I never even got pointed toward the apex...
4.) You cannot pass from T2 through T10 unless the car being passed lets you go by.
Now, don't write this in your little blue notebook:
1.) Yes, we are in agreement on that corner, there is nothing to gain. My suggestion is to do whatever you are comfortable, it doesn't matter because you won't get passed unless you lose it.
Now I need my coffee. You may or may not write that in your little blue notebook, your choice...
G.
1.) This was not first lap of the race... No way the tires were cold.
2.) John lost it because of two reasons, he was having issues with the back end of the car (he almost didn't run the enduro) and he (like me) got on a dusty patch of track.
3.) I never even got pointed toward the apex...
4.) You cannot pass from T2 through T10 unless the car being passed lets you go by.
Now, don't write this in your little blue notebook:
1.) Yes, we are in agreement on that corner, there is nothing to gain. My suggestion is to do whatever you are comfortable, it doesn't matter because you won't get passed unless you lose it.
Now I need my coffee. You may or may not write that in your little blue notebook, your choice...
G.
10-01-2008, 10:55 AM
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Geezus, George, wash the sand out of your vagina. I was BEING SARCASTIC.
Good grief.
Also, you're wrong about your point #4.
Russell, you're right.
Good grief.
Also, you're wrong about your point #4.
Russell, you're right.
10-01-2008, 11:05 AM
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It's red.
10-01-2008, 11:15 AM
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It's red, just like your tampon right now.
As I previously indicated, in T6. I've done it. Sorry you haven't!
As I previously indicated, in T6. I've done it. Sorry you haven't!
10-01-2008, 11:22 AM
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It's red, George. Stop being argumentative & menstrual. I have a large black spiral notebook with car set up notes & other stuff, but my in car notebook with students is red.
And I'm glad you were in the car with me. Sorry, bro, but you're dead wrong. It may have been a crappy driver in that corner (and they were) but they most assuredly did NOT let me by. It was hard-earned and required strongly pressuring him in T5 so he'd push wide, and I was better positioned to pass in T6.
Get over it!
And I'm glad you were in the car with me.
Sorry, bro, but you're dead wrong. It may have been a crappy driver in that corner (and they were) but they most assuredly did NOT let me by. It was hard-earned and required strongly pressuring him in T5 so he'd push wide, and I was better positioned to pass in T6.Get over it!
